My Jewish grandparents on multiple sides were told to flee or die by Stalin’s drooling simps. My primary source is many of my great grandparents and the thousands of others that fled Russia at the barrel of a gun. Talk to any reputable Russian historian in the last 50 years and some figure in the many millions is going to come up. We have endless first hand accounts and mountains of historical evidence. To deny this history is like being a Holocaust denier. What exactly is your goal here?
I’m not big into ideological labels, but calling me a liberal without evidence is silly. My beliefs most closely align with socialism and progressivism, but I don’t believe in blind ideological thinking.
Cool story, unfortunately for you some shit that allegedly happened to your grandparents proves absolutely nothing, and the historians considered reputable on the topic by western powers have been caught making shit up more than once. Trusting what the US has to say about its enemies is always a bad decision, you might be stupid enough to do it but I’m not.
And lol@ your holocaust denial comparison, we’ve got a shitload of hard evidence for it and fuck all to support your story
So if both first hand accounts and peer reviewed research mean nothing to you what barrier needs to be crossed to provide proof? Or is anything you haven’t already predetermined to be true automatically “western propaganda”. Also, what motivation would fleeing refugees have to lie about what made them flee Russia? Why would that supposed lie persist long after a perceived benefit through to their descendents?
There is peer reviewed research on this topic all over the web. But even in this wikipedia article, for those that are able to use basic reasoning skills, it repeatedly referenced peer reviewed studies for it’s numbers. People use wikipedia because it’s easy, not because it’s some arbiter of truth.
No one wants to provide a bibliography for some random on the Internet who wouldn’t accept new information even if I gave you a time machine that placed you at an execution of an academic or business owner during that time. Waste of everyone’s time.
First-hand accounts without substantiating physical evidence are worthless, we’ve got thousands of eyewitness accounts of bigfoot and UFOs and every other flavor of inane bullshit. Same goes for “peer reviewed research” without substantiating physical evidence, which you have absolutely none of. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, you’re literally just regurgitating US propaganda that you’ve put exactly zero effort into verifying, and you’re going to continue putting no effort in because it’s easier to tell yourself that everyone who disagrees is a tankie/troll/bot/or whatever other thought terminating bullshit you’ve been fed most recently, confronting the reality that you’ve been duped and spent a lifetime caping for a genocidal empire would feel bad and you’d rather feel good.
My Jewish grandparents on multiple sides were told to flee or die by Stalin’s drooling simps. My primary source is many of my great grandparents and the thousands of others that fled Russia at the barrel of a gun. Talk to any reputable Russian historian in the last 50 years and some figure in the many millions is going to come up. We have endless first hand accounts and mountains of historical evidence. To deny this history is like being a Holocaust denier. What exactly is your goal here?
Why is the liberal chain of citations always Wikipedia, and then “My grandparents!”. It’s so consistent it’s like you all have the same script.
I’m not big into ideological labels, but calling me a liberal without evidence is silly. My beliefs most closely align with socialism and progressivism, but I don’t believe in blind ideological thinking.
Ok, don’t care. Labels are descriptive, not a personal affection.
Oh I have plenty of evidence.
Yup, definitely a liberal
Your comments are evidence dumbass
Cool story, unfortunately for you some shit that allegedly happened to your grandparents proves absolutely nothing, and the historians considered reputable on the topic by western powers have been caught making shit up more than once. Trusting what the US has to say about its enemies is always a bad decision, you might be stupid enough to do it but I’m not.
And lol@ your holocaust denial comparison, we’ve got a shitload of hard evidence for it and fuck all to support your story
So if both first hand accounts and peer reviewed research mean nothing to you what barrier needs to be crossed to provide proof? Or is anything you haven’t already predetermined to be true automatically “western propaganda”. Also, what motivation would fleeing refugees have to lie about what made them flee Russia? Why would that supposed lie persist long after a perceived benefit through to their descendents?
Lol, this is what liberals think Wikipedia is.
There is peer reviewed research on this topic all over the web. But even in this wikipedia article, for those that are able to use basic reasoning skills, it repeatedly referenced peer reviewed studies for it’s numbers. People use wikipedia because it’s easy, not because it’s some arbiter of truth.
No one wants to provide a bibliography for some random on the Internet who wouldn’t accept new information even if I gave you a time machine that placed you at an execution of an academic or business owner during that time. Waste of everyone’s time.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up kiddo
First-hand accounts without substantiating physical evidence are worthless, we’ve got thousands of eyewitness accounts of bigfoot and UFOs and every other flavor of inane bullshit. Same goes for “peer reviewed research” without substantiating physical evidence, which you have absolutely none of. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, you’re literally just regurgitating US propaganda that you’ve put exactly zero effort into verifying, and you’re going to continue putting no effort in because it’s easier to tell yourself that everyone who disagrees is a tankie/troll/bot/or whatever other thought terminating bullshit you’ve been fed most recently, confronting the reality that you’ve been duped and spent a lifetime caping for a genocidal empire would feel bad and you’d rather feel good.