Teddy (left), and Sampson (right)
Yeah no, Pit bulls should be banned.
I had two roommates who both had pitbulls. Both very loving owners. These dogs were treated right. But they could not coexist.
After one fight too many, one of the owners got mauled by his own dog after trying to break the dogs up. He almost lost his hand.
Ban pitbulls.
I like pitbulls and don’t know if this is bait (perhaps you didn’t realize the obvious response you’d get?) but this post should be removed either way.
Worst comment section I’ve ever seen in this community
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Just a head’s up but not a single police department in the nation DNA tests or even has a spot on their reports to label which specific breed of dog caused the attack, there is also roughly a dozen different breeds on the list of dogs commonly mistaken for pits.
Anybody telling you pits are responsible for any percentage of dog attacks is lying by giving a number not scientifically achieved.
In 2009, the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia released a five-year review of dog-bite injuries. The review states that 51 percent of attacks were made by pit bulls.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19644273/
In 2009, another study was published by the American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology. The study ran for 15 years and it has concluded that pit bulls, German Shepherds, and Rottweilers are among the most common breeds that cause fatal dog attacks in Kentucky State.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19696575/
In 2011, the Annals of Surgery published a study, which concluded that Pitbull attacks lead to more expensive hospital bills, higher risk of death, and higher morbidity rates compared to other breeds of dogs.
Your data was true 13-15 years ago, doesn’t mean it is true today.
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That’s up to you.
What other subjects do you accept almost 20 year old data on? Do you go back 50 years? What is the cut off for you in all subjects, or is pit bulls the only subject you don’t have a standard for?
did pitbull behavior change in 20 years. they suddenly became goody good dogs?
i’d say it’s relevant until today and well into the future.
You think the dogs have somehow evolved to be less aggressive over a bit more than a decade?
It is quite strange to me that the only time I receive responses to 10 month old comments, whether on here or reddit, it’s only regarding pitt bulls.
Must be a slow day on r/pitbullhate’s private discord.
Found the bot with the copypasta.
Breeds don’t need and aren’t identified by DNA.
there is also roughly a dozen different breeds on the list of dogs commonly mistaken for pits.
Do you have any evidence to support this statement? It would need to be pretty substantial to offset the large proportion of Pit Bull breeds.
I dont say this to be dismissive, I would actually be pretty interested in reading what you have.
When my dumb ass downstairs neighbor hears the kittens playing, she flies into a rage about my pitbull making noise. The hate causes the statistics, not the breed.
Here is a list of 10.
https://pethelpful.com/dogs/10-Breeds-Most-Commonly-Mistaken-For-Pit-Bulls
Just a head’s up but not a single police department in the nation DNA tests or even has a spot on their reports to label which specific breed of dog caused the attack.
Your link doesn’t address the point you made above, it’s just a list of dogs mistaken for specifically “American pit bull terriers”, it doesn’t mention police DNA tests or reports, it says nothing.
Besides im talking about Pit Bulls in general which (Per the statement I made previously to another commenter on this post) is an umbrella term for several types of dog believed to have descended from bull and terriers. In the United States, the term is usually considered to include the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bully, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and sometimes the American Bulldog.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull
Additionally the list you provided is half-filled out by the dogs that come under the pit bull breed. It even states that many dogs fall under the pit bull specification, which is why it singles out the American pit bull terrier in order to draw a distinction to them rather than say American Bullies.
The world’s first ever police DNA program started in the UK in 2021, and it was created for dog thefts, not dog attacks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-57578701
And seeing that there is no national database of all precinct’s police reports, you will have to go to your police department and see for yourself that they are not even cataloguing the breeds per attack.
As for your comment that there are 5 dogs that fall under the umbrella term of pit bull, that actually helps my original point that these lists are unscientific. Chihauhas aren’t lumped together with Mexican shorthairs when the numbers are tallied, neither is any dog lumped with their types. These lists also don’t break down which of the pit types are most responsible for the most attacks.
- because the numbers aren’t collected by anybody, meaning the lists are lying, and
- if the pit types were separated by their actual breed, the numbers would show an average or a slightly higher rate of aggression, not the majority of all attacks.
I would also point out that almost none of these lists you read online include German Shephards, which is strange since they tend to be the only dog in the US that is commissioned as Police Officer and are frequently attacking people as part of their job. Further evidence that these lists are unscientific and politically motivated.
The American Temperament Test Society tests aggression in dog breeds in controlled environment. Participants self select, so there’s that, and ultimately I think the test says more about the owners than the dogs. Nonetheless, per the ATTS , the american pit bill terrier passed 87% of the time while the Australian shepherd only passed 83% of the time.
not a single police department in the nation DNA tests.
So you made this statement without knowing if it was true or not as you go on to say that “there is no national database of all precinct’s police reports, you will have to go to your police department and see for yourself”.
Bad faith arguments always end with “go and find out for yourself”.
Can I ask what do you think the word breed means? It’s not a specific dog, it’s a term to describe a grouping of dogs (Shepards for example). And out of the 300 plus recognised groupings/breeds of dog, Pitbulls kill more than all of them combined. Even if you split it down to each sub-grouping, the dogs under the umbrella term “Pit Bull” still vastly outstrip all other dogs in attacks and fatalities.
I would also point out that almost none of these lists you read online include German Shephards, which is strange since they tend to be the only dog in the US that is commissioned as Police Officer and are frequently attacking people as part of their job. Further evidence that these lists are unscientific and politically motivated.
In this post I provided another commenter a breakdown of fatalities caused by dogs and the graph shows German shepherds specifically cause less than 3% of fatalities over 16 years. Meanwhile the 5 dogs that make up Pit Bulls are responsible for an average of 67%.
Again, there is no database of dog genetics that police maintain in the US, unless it was created after 2021.
Meaning all the stats you have are based solely on media reports of dog attacks and not actual dog attacks.
You can also contact the people compiling the lists. If they respond, they will admit that they do not track the rate of attacks committed by German Shepherds in the line of duty.
We also know that Cane Corso’s probably attack a few people per year, yet almost every list excludes them… Because they are counted towards pit bulls.
If you can provide an actual scientifically validated list, I am happy to see it. Otherwise your numbers are fiction and you know it.
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You are not the only person on the Internet. Just because you are no longer interested doesn’t mean this isn’t a valuable contribution. Go do something nice for someone, you owe us for being a dick.
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Please put $5 in an envelope and send it to him.
A year later and you’re still wrong and too far up your own ass to admit it even when confronted with evidence assembled by people more qualified than you’ll ever be
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Yeah, I wouldn’t say I’m a hater. I just have a healthy skepticism driven by statistics and a distaste for the way the breed is marketed/treated by people.
This is bullshit. In more than half of dog bites the breed is unknown. So that’s the end of your line of reasoning. You simply don’t know and cannot say their “nature.”
They were bred for hunting. Some people used some of them for fighting dogs years after they were first bred and used for decades as hunting dogs. Of the few that were used in fighting, dogs that bit humans were not allowed to fight and so were euthanized
Edit: abject know-nothings and science deniers downvoting me.
Never met a mean pit in my life you’re just off your meds again; if you treat a dog like shit it’ll act like shit if you treat it well it will act well most of the time. And your statement about pitbulls being fighting dogs is bs they were bred to quite literally “pit bulls” my guy.
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Um make me do it dr.cuck
The actual statistics, and the people most qualified to interpet and explain them, disagree entirely with you.
https://www.avma.org/sites/default/files/resources/dog_bite_risk_and_prevention_bgnd.pdf
I did not call everyone a dog rasict, I called the person say it was good that pitbull were being put down in the UK a dog rasict. But by your logic, we should have killed all Germans in WW2 because Germany was the home on the Nazi party and killed millions of people, but that’s wrong because not every Germany killed a person. And to say that we should kill something because it’s “in there nature” is harmful to all life because it sets an unrealistic expectation of what it is like. I’m not gonna deny that pitbulls attack people, but a dog rarely attacks people for nothing, and often the reason is out of fear or abuse.
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Dogs aren’t people. We kill it eliminate troublesome breeds/species all the time. Ex: Japanese hornet
Japanese hornet was an invasive species to the Americans and thus was removed, but it’s not being exterminated in mass in Japan and other areas the hornets call home. And for you to say that because an animal isn’t human is basically saying it has no soul and doesn’t feel emotions, or at least that how you come across.
- No proof souls exist
- Are you a strict vegan? Otherwise you recognize animals are below humans.
- Animals obviously feel emotions.
Last year the son of a good friend, with only 5 years, was attacked and murdered by the grandfather dog that knew him his entire life, he was playing with his sister and the dog… can you guess the breed? Yep, thats right. Fuck those dogs
I just want to scritch their cute memoryfoam heads.
I’ll acknowledge that this particular breed may be responsible for the most aggressive dog attacks, but I’d also assume there’s a correlation between aggression in dogs and the environment they’re brought up in.
It’s the nature vs nurture debate but for K9s. Both are probably legitimate factors. But I’d argue, give a pit bull a loving home and good training - something all dogs deserve - and they’ll never hurt a soul.
Problem is, idiots with no respect for animals tend to seek out “tough” dog breeds and torture them until they’re ready too attack anyone and everyone. Fuck people. People=Shit.
I just want to say op, you have two great looking pups! I can guarantee Teddy is the best cuddler.
They really are fucking adorable. 10/10 would give them snuggles and scratches.
Then again, I also like 100% of animals, so 🤷♀️
So glad the UK outlawed these bully xl things. Not a day goes by it doesn’t maul one child or another
Fuckin dog racist.
Cute, but should be put down as all others of this race
Can we put down the bad humans too then? Dogs aren’t inherently bad or good, it’s how they are treated and the resources they have access to, strangely much like us humans?! Weird!
Except this breed was created by us specifically for its violence. It’s in their genes. As far as I know there was no artificial breeding for pure violent humans. We created this abomination, we should put and end to it
We created all dog breeds. Violence is not something found in DNA, but keep trying that angle. You are just scared of them, and fair enough, but let’s not pretend the dogs only purpose in life is to bite people. Most dog breeds do not serve their purpose any longer and we buy them because we like them. Many dogs are violent and untrained. If pit bulls did not exist, you would ha e another breed in its place you are complaining about because people are terrible and irresponsible. Don’t blame the dog, blame the owner. My friend hates cocker spaniels because one bit her face when she was an infant and the memory has never left her. Should we ban that breed too?
Tell me when a cocker reach this kind of mortality then I will tell you to ban them too
Don’t create excuses. Not all dogs are the same, this dog is a murder machine and should be put down. It’s not their fault, but this doesn’t change the fact that they were bred to maximum damage
My thoughts are just based in numbers, yours, not so much
I am saying that if pit bulls did not exist, another breed would fill that pie chart because PEOPLE are terrible and irresponsible. Anything in the wrong hands can be a problem. It’s why most countries try to ban assault rifles from private use because they don’t solve any problems and are very dangerous in the wrong hands, but ultimately it is the hands that cause the issue, not the “thing”.
Your are just ignoring the fact that pitbulls are just more efficient in killing than any other race. Even if they got replaced, it would result in less deaths because not a single breed compares to them in terms of killing.
So yes, pitbulls are assault rifles, German Shepards are 38 revolvers and your friends Cocker are butter knifes. Changing one to another is safer to everyone
Sure, still doesn’t solve the problem though, does it?
Just wondering? How hard is it for some of you to say "aww cute, doggy"or something like that?
Very cute dogs
Those aren’t actually OPs dogs. This is a bait.
Your right. One of them is my friends. I never claimed both were mine.
Every single pitbull I’ve met has been nothing but loving and kind. I understand the context about people who don’t like them as they’ve probably seen things in the media about how pitbulls act, or something in a similar nature. I would believe that the media is just trying to get you scared, as I remember one time with a different story about a city I live nearby to, and how I said I was scared to go into the city due to the gun violence, when one of the people who live in the city said that they live in the hood, and have no trouble getting to where they need to go, which personally made me feel a lot better. That’s what I currently believe this situation is like. I do understand that this may not change some opinions with some people, just think about it, please.
You’re dismissing the people who have made their opinion from the overwhelming scientific data on this subject.
I consider that “media”
In 2009, the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia released a five-year review of dog-bite injuries. The review states that 51 percent of attacks were made by pit bulls.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19644273/
In 2009, another study was published by the American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology. The study ran for 15 years and it has concluded that pit bulls, German Shepherds, and Rottweilers are among the most common breeds that cause fatal dog attacks in Kentucky State.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19696575/
In 2011, the Annals of Surgery published a study, which concluded that Pitbull attacks lead to more expensive hospital bills, higher risk of death, and higher morbidity rates compared to other breeds of dogs.
