• Zwrt@lemmy.sdf.org
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    3 days ago

    Why not both?

    The rich love being in a exclusive secret clubs and creating a secret club with dedicated buildings/rooms is not super difficult if you have money. They are still the same rich though.

    • Cruxifux@feddit.nl
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      3 days ago

      It’s almost certainly both. It’s the ones we know about (all the stupid ones) and the ones we don’t know about (smarter.)

      • forrgott@lemmy.sdf.org
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        2 days ago

        What if the movers and shakers get together at a publicly disclosed, but extremely private meeting with no outside access?

        No meeting notes, and the participants are basically sworn to secrecy. But once a year the most obscenely wealthy individuals on the planet get together to discuss their own vision for the future. And the location is public knowledge, simply because the insane level of security ensures that nobody who wasn’t invited will ever get in.

        And whatever they decide, these fuckers absolutely have the power to make it happen. Bet they just fucking laugh their asses off at the various Illuminati conspiracies out there.

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          21 hours ago

          And for a confirmed conspiracy led by a secret society of movers and shakers there’s Propaganda Due, a now-dissolved Italian Masonic lodge whose members (including future Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi) held high positions in Italy’s government, military, intelligence agencies, religious institutions, and news industry.

          Many former members still hold a great deal of power even though P2 is known to have had journalists and dissidents assassinated, supported terrorists targeting their own citizens, and were plotting a right-wing coup (one that sounds a hell of a lot like what is happening in the US, for that matter).

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            21 hours ago

            Getting people to hunt for an imaginary boogeyman is remarkably effective at getting them to ignore the villain standing in front of them, isn’t it?

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        3 days ago

        Exactly. There is a theory that those actually in charge are bored of Trump, hence why he’s suddenly getting thrown under the bus. They aren’t necessarily richer, just collectively have more money/power.