I get it, you’re just trolling. There is no valid argument here; NASA is a government institution who’s intention is to serve the people through scientific advancement, not scrounge up a fucking profit. I literally just showed you that SpaceX is only more “efficient” by taking advantage of people, which is the complete opposite end of the spectrum from what government is supposed to do. They are not even competitors. They’re not even competing; SpaceX will never develop the technology that NASA did, that SpaceX relied on to be in business in the first place.

The original conversation wasn’t even about money, efficiency, or profit; it was about the ability to create and benefit society. Because SpaceX has a profit motive, it will never be able to create and innovate the same way NASA did; it’ll only ever be able to fulfill narrowly defined contacts. Because guess what? If it goes beyond that, it’ll basically be where NASA is and then you’ll be in here bitching about them too because they’re not “as efficient” as the people they’re paying to do a simple, narrowly defined task with overworked, inexperienced employees as they generate rampant environmental harm.

Reading directly from your source: one of NASA’s key drivers have been RELIABILITY, and a “non-industrial” culture. Of course both of these things drive cost up. “Industrial” cultures have eliminated creativity since Henry Ford introduced the assembly line at his plant–everyone has a single efficient responsibility and it makes everyone miserable as a result, leading to nobody giving a single damn at the end of the day.

In the same paragraph you linked: “The low Shuttle flight rate not only makes for inefficient use of personnel and facilities, it distorts the cost per flight calculations because of high fixed costs.” (Rutledge, 93-4063)” Meaning that if they had modified their program and product to launch more frequently like SpaceX does, then the costs would be much more favorable.

And also: "Another key factor in SpaceX’s low costs is its young, highly motivated workforce of top graduates willing to work significant unpaid overtime. " This is NOT a good thing–people shouldn’t have to slave away for their career. It’s also not sustainable, and it means that the work is being done by inexperienced individuals which leads to disasters like:

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/12/18/texas-space-x-lawsuit-tceq-pollution/, and

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/25/mexico-president-lawsuit-spacex-debris-rocket-explosions, and

https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-starship-super-heavy-launch-destroyed-launchpad-volcano-sized-explosion-2023-11

They keep giving contracts to SpaceX because that’s the way the budgets are mandated from congress. They have X amount of money to distribute. Everything goes to generally the lowest bidder, and because there are only a handful of options, they have to keep using one contractor to produce their parts because it’s even more expensive to keep switching.

So drop the attitude. Usually the worst bidder gets the job, and it ends up costing more money after everything is said and done.

The whole point is that SpaceX’s contributions have been minimal… and have still been paid for by tax dollars anyways with all the contracts they’re getting. Their big thing is supposed to be reusable rockets… guess what, NASA already pioneered the concept of reusable spacecraft with their space shuttle.

Yeah. These dumbasses forget that government funding is what originally set the stage and enabled any progress at all for private company-entrepreneurs who benefitted from all that publicly available knowledge, paid for by our tax dollars.

Innovation will slow to a trickle with all these government cuts because these companies literally can’t pay for anything not directly related to their bottom dollar, and none of them can see far enough past next quarter’s profits to invest in the future.

Could you elaborate on how SpaceX “ran circles around NASA”, seeing as how NASA basically pioneered every single piece of modern space technology, and all SpaceX is doing is fumbling to rearrange it like Legos that explode on the launch pad? Lol

Wouldn’t be surprised of we begin seeing these headlines from the US, thanks to the Trump administration

Dang, I was hoping there was a competitor. I’m boycotting Musk companies as best I can

They’re getting candy CRUSHED

Yeah, we (at least I) don’t prop up shitty people to save face, just because they’re on “my team” and I can’t admit I messed up–like basically every MAGA applogist.

Completely agree with this. To be “Christian” is to embrace this concept of an in-crowd and an out-crowd; if you’re not part of “my” crowd you can literally go to fucking hell and my omnipotent God-ruler is going to make sure you’re punished eternally if you don’t do what I say.

Being a shitty person is baked in at the deepest foundation of being Christian, and probably most types of religion tbh.

Yeah, I would choose to be attracted to men instead of women. I’ll never forget how abusive and psychotic my mother was, and I’m not sure I’ll ever be able to move past the trauma she inflicted on my father, myself, or the rest of my family growing up.

Excited for the future conversations I’ll have when I ask these conservatives how it feels to have voted a pedo into office. So much schadenfreude

Will be hilarious to see beef skyrocket. These country folk don’t know how to eat anything else and still think of themselves as “men”

Right? I’m totally cool with cutting basically every rural service that doesn’t affect me. Maybe everyone else is tired of paying for all the extra roads, bridges, social services, and miscellaneous infrastructure funding from state and federal government it takes to subsidize their needs to live far away from the efficiency of the city? Lol

Yeah, let’s just ruin everyone’s credit with medical debt so we can stop buying bullshit overpriced cars and accruing ludicrous quantities of credit cards. The main downside I see is if this acts as another barrier to home ownership. But then, of course, the banks will begin getting pissy if they can’t loan to anyone.

I can only see this backfiring on the economy–theres only so much money allocated to people’s pockets, and this is the federal government deciding that the medical industry gets to have a larger share of it.

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Is this the thing that will truly “make America great again”? Or will I have to see even more of the train wreck continue on? Lol

Apparently they do -not- have a Need for Speed

And what did you do?