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  • What I can’t stand is people claiming that North Korea is not a dictatorship, China is democratic and Russia, poor them, was forced into invading other countries

    I signed on .ml because that was the second most popular instance at that time; there are so many people in .ml enamoured with USSR, whitewashing it, that I tend to skip local posts because it’s not worth it. They behave like people brainwashed by USA propaganda but with different polarization.

    Sometimes I think they might be CIA shills/bots created to discourage people from socialist movements.

    Btw - China does have local elections where people pick their local representative. So people can pick a person, but not the ideology - that is mandated from the high. It’s not exactly what I would call democratic, but hey, the more you know




  • ThirdConsul@lemmy.mltoMemes@lemmy.mlHeroic Red Army 🫡
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    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/365316318_Stosunki_gospodarcze_miedzy_Polska_a_ZSRR_Economic_relations_between_People’s_Poland_and_the_USSR

    For some reason some Western and all of Russian researchers say that P oland being occupied by USSR did wonders to Polish economy, while Polish researchers say otherwise. I wonder why. Oh, btw, the same is true if you look at any other colonized country.

    The idea that you consider the removal of pipeline to be national plundering but ignore the expansion of heavy industry under the Soviet economic program shows you don’t have a grip on what plunder means. You could count any reallocation of machinery as plunder if you are willing to ignore the entire other half of the balance sheet.

    You mean rebuying similar equipment to stolen one, from USSR, on credit, and then processing the resources for them and selling them back by the price USSR dictated?

    You pretend that the USSR plunged Poland into an agrarian bronze age

    I did nothing of the sort. You said you’re unaware of systematic wealth transfer, plunder, by USSR. So I showcased, with sources, an example of that.

    Foolish

    Yes. So far you’ve proven that you’re unable to think or say that USSR did anything wrong, and glorify all the actions undertaken.

    If that’s not romanticizing, I don’t know what is.


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    It was designed to be rehabilitative.

    Yes it was. On paper. And maybe the first one tried to be. Be the 1930 they were designed to mine, chop, place rails and so on. With an impressive death rate and population.

    I think you’re confusing “taiga gulags” with “sharashka” or lagry near western USSR part if you think it was anything but slave labour camps in general.


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    It’s going to be a separate message to keep the discussion focused.

    Gulag literally means prison.

    That’s the end of discussion here. You know nothing about gulags. It does not. Gulag is an acronym. Even wikipedia knows better.

    Prisoners in the Gulag worked, but they were paid the national minimum wage and it was saved for them when they left prison.

    Source please. Because while not everyone died, and gulags differed, my great-grandfather was not offered “salary” for forced slave labour.

    I’m not an USian, we’re not talking about US here. Don’t steer the conversation there, as it’s “whataboutism” and bears no relevance to you romanticizing USSR.


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    You can stop being condescending, it’s not welcomed.

    As for national plunder, all of the claims I have seen are of soldiers taking things. Not exactly a massive wealth transfer.

    In 1956, when First Secretary of the Polish United Workers’ Party Gomułka was summoned to Moscow, he made some secret notes (that are now public) counting what infrastructure did Moscow stole (as in - systematically took apart, moved to USSR) from Poland (by 1956!):

    • hundreds different factories lost all machinery
    • thousands of small manufactories (think pa & ma small manufactories)
    • 8 (!) power stations (from Górny Śląśk)
    • coke oven gas pipeline 115km,
    • all big chemistry factories from Polic to Kędzierzyn (value of 1 200 000 000 pre-war $)
    • 4000 km of rails!
    • heavy machine factories in Jelcz, Łabędy, Zielona Góra, Wrocław, Elbląg, Szczecin
    • machinery from Mines in Bolesławiec
    • about 2/3 of machines from the biggest shipyard in Poland (the rest were too big to move)
    • 14 factories of paper and cellulose

    Source - Rolicki “Gierek”, pages 110-120 summarized Gomułka notes


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    While Gladio is a thing, and the history we are taught in Europe is colourized, it feels like you have very romanticized view of USSR.

    Gulags were a thing. So was plunder of “liberated” nations (e.g. Poland), and destruction of the individual countries culture (e.g. Polish cookbooks from before USSR occupation vs after are worlds apart).