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  • masterspace@lemmy.catoLemmy Shitpost@lemmy.worldI'm doing my part💪
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    13 hours ago

    Change generally comes about from mass mobilization. The French have gotten more concessions from the government and the rich through mass strikes than Americans ever have firing guns. I’m not naiive to the idea that it’s all purely 100% peaceful protest, but one man with a gun rarely makes a significant change in the overall direction compared to hundreds of thousands of people turning out and threatening the economy.

    And that’s the thing, the state generally maintains a monopoly on violence against small groups, it’s near impossible for them to threaten violence against the population as a whole without creating a totalitarian state.

    At the end of the day guns aren’t going to be what stops injustice, convincing enough people that the injustice is intolerable is.









  • Oh yeah, it’s totally JavaScript that’s the reason that news and magazine websites suck. It’s totally not the financial incentives of advertising that cause them to only care about the user experience so far as they get clicks. This totally wouldn’t have been the exact same result if new media did everything on the backend and underfunded their backend dev teams. /S

    Jesus Christ, why do these inane articles keep coming up? The authors have the reasoning skills of “when I look into the sun my eyes hurt, therefor the sun is bad”.







  • That’s an utterly trash article.

    You may think that while there are isolated examples of abuse and absurdity, these laws nevertheless allow European nations to more effectively combat hatred.

    No, I think that cherry picking extreme cases of people trying to abuse hate speech laws, not discussing the final outcomes of those cases including when the accuser was punished for abusing hate speech laws, and not examining their positive cases in any way shape or form, is obviously fucking asinine and doesn’t prove the point the author thinks.

    You’d be surprised to learn, then, that citizens in European countries with laws restricting hate speech and Holocaust denial experience worse rates of antisemitic attitudes than the United States, sometimes by a large margin.

    No, I wouldn’t.

    1. you can effectively combat anti-Semitism, but still end up with more of it, if you start with higher levels of anti-Semitism

    2. there are a million other factors effecting anti-Semitism, drawing a causal relationship between high anti-Semitism rates and whether or not they have hate-speech laws is asinine, kindergarten level, “reasoning”

    3. hate-speech laws are not just about anti-Semitism, but about literally every other hateful prejudice as well

    The author of that article is, quite frankly, a fucking idiot at best, or an ideologue intentionally trying to deceive you at worst.

    The on the ground reality is that in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Europe, etc, groups like the KKK will be investigated and prosecuted, and in the US they won’t. If you think hate speech laws are so bad you’re gonna have to find enough cases of abuse that they cancel out all the cases of far right terror groups being successfully disrupted, and here’s the thing, you won’t, because they don’t exist.

    There’s a reason that hate-speech laws are broadly popular in the countries that have them.






  • Laws intended to protect the vulnerable can easily be used to oppress them further. We’re seeing this with pro-Palestinian groups being labeled hate groups right now in the name of “protecting” people from “antisemitism.” (Antisemitism is a real problem, don’t get me wrong, but a lot of people who get prosecuted for it haven’t actually done anything except support Palestine.)

    This is quite frankly, ass-backwards reasoning.

    If legitimate laws are getting twisted and abused to fuck with people by governments, then those same government will just pass new laws to fuck with people if they want to.

    Literally every western country in the world has anti-hate speech laws, and by and large they are not problematic. It’s only in dumb-fuck america that everything needs to be black and white and you can’t draw subtle nuanced lines. Yeah, the UK probably errs too much on the side of repressing speech, like when they banned Palestine Action for vandalizing a military base, yet at the same time, I just saw a pro-palestine protest shut down the main tourist district of Scotland today, and the police just made sure everyone was safe from external threats. No suppression of any anti-Israeli or pro-Palestine speechse.

    It’s very easy to write hate-speech laws, it’s dumb as fuck to think they’re more problematic than not having them.