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$35k is barely a poverty wage.

Ride bikes, do crime.

Are we talking about the Christians who very explicitly opposed the concept of a religious state? The ones who put that concept front and center in their Bill of Rights?

Bookchin gang unite.

Again, nothing is preventing you from having a moped, or riding a bicycle on the street. However, there are many other places in the world where there are trails and other infrastructure meant to be shared with pedestrians, which is why it is important that the distinction between bicycle and moped/motorcycle be understood.

Again, it’s shocking how on this singular issue, we find “if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear” acceptable.

Yes that thread is quite literally just describing forum politics, based on a very small amount of feedback from a select group of individuals discussing the matter in back channels.

Simply put, admins were not satisfied just banning the agents for voting and the user for commenting. This is entirely a perception issue and caused no actual problems besides feels. This caused the implementation of trusted instances which was actually a flawed concept. Rather than iteration on the idea, the pressure from other admins caused it to be abandoned unceremoniously with almost zero input from users. I’m not sure how you can interpret this as anything other than forum politics.

I agree, except we should leave the basic mechanic and just make it a placebo.

time interleaving on the same roadway.

This is also why it’s so important for adults to cross safely at crosswalks to set a good example for children in poorly designed suburban hellscapes. I cringe so hard every time I see some random idiot pushing a stroller across three lanes onto a raised median when there is a crosswalk 20m away.

Yes, we should design infrastructure better, but we also need to understand that what we have now is incredibly dangerous, and we need to set an example for children every time we interact with it.

Yes, this is precisely what I mean by “bad faith.” Even in the most terminally car brain culture there is effort made to separate pedestrian and automobile traffic, even if that means time interleaving on the same roadway. Very few places in the developed world allow pedestrians and automobiles to share the same roadway at the same time the way bicycles and pedestrians can.

The simple and (I thought) self evident premise here is that cyclists and pedestrians can coexist in ways pedestrians and motor vehicles cannot. Blurring the line between a bicycle and a moped serves nobody besides those who seek to perpetuate the exact same legacy ideas which currently force pedestrians and motor vehicles into needless, dangerous conflict.

Which one of these vehicles expects to be operated in pedestrian spaces?

I don’t know why this is so hard. Cars should also have speed limiters, and the reason they don’t is bullshit tradition. As we invent the next paradigm in personal transportation we shouldn’t be making the same mistakes. I really can’t imagine how anyone could disagree with this unless they are acting in bad faith.

The existence of ebikes doesn’t depreciate the existence of motorcycles or mopeds. If you want a motorcycle or moped then get one, but don’t pretend it’s ok to ride it on bike paths.

Nobody sets out to be doxxed, but it happens. And as it stands on the fediverse, when it happens the consequences are potentially even greater because all activity is available to all subscribers. All I am asking is for these simple facts to be acknowledged when we have this discussion. The potential risk profile for using Lemmy is greater than reddit in many ways. My frustration with how people approach this conversation is that they all too frequently dismiss or ignore this simple fact.

It doesn’t need to be like this though. There are simple ways to mitigate this, but people are weirdly hostile to them, and I believe it is specifically because they do not acknowledge this additional risk.

Piefed literally already implemented voting agents and it worked fine until forum politics killed it.

Public votes do absolutely nothing to stop people from making a bunch of users on a bunch of instances and voting from those users. Voting agents are a simple solution to the issue, since you can still just ban the voting agent if it seems problematic.

But there’s a deeper context here, which is we are drawing a weird line between voting being a fundamental, if not critical part of the application, but also apparently grounds for imposing sanctions on users for doing it wrong? That’s a fundamentally flawed mechanic no matter how you swing it, since you can’t standardize any singular set of rules, and we are already seeing a rapid escalation of tit for tat vote bans. This is just unsustainable and is pushing things towards an obvious endpoint where there is such a chilling effect on voting that it negates the entire utility of the mechanic for sorting and content curation.

Piefed did it with voting agents and it worked fine. The reason they rolled it back was just forum politics, because admins didn’t like not knowing who was voting, even though they could just ban the agent if they wanted. This, incidentally is just more reason to hate the idea of public votes.

I don’t understand why everyone is so dismissive of this being a problem. Especially considering it is easily mitigated using simple voting agents.

It’s not just a privacy concern either, I promise you that trolls love being able to see which accounts are engaging with them in order to target certain demographics. Like we know this kind of shit has been used to manipulate elections already, and people here are just like “well I guess that’s just the world now.”

Reddit is one entity, and by providing a service it is bound by a variety of privacy and data protection regulations. On the fediverse anyone can accumulate any of that information and store it for years, and they are not bound by any such data management or privacy laws. It’s absolutely shocking to me that a place which is otherwise quite obsessed with privacy just brushes aside this distinction. As it stands a vote on the fediverse is far more likely to have real consequences versus one on reddit if, say, ones phone is searched at a border.

This could be mitigated considerably with simple voting agents, as piefed tried to do, but this idea was killed by idiotic forum politics over fears of “vote manipulation.”

Yes, this is not hyperbole - the otherwise “privacy focused” leaders of the fediverse are more concerned with fake Internet points than real privacy concerns.

A lot of people here still refuse to understand that Lemmy, as it currently exists, is a privacy nightmare, and the voting thing is just the top of the iceberg. There are several de-anonymization attacks possible involving dynamically serving different content to different users. This, combined with the public voting makes it possible that someone can dox an account and expose a lot more information than other forums where that information is more private.

Public votes also open the fediverse up to much worse astroturfing IMO. It’s incredible feedback for bots and trolls to see exactly who is interacting with their posts and comments. It’s frustrating that a bunch of people here have convinced themselves of the opposite, and insist that public voting is the only way to combat brigades and trolls, which is an incredibly shortsighted stance which doesn’t scale nearly as well as it does in the other direction.

Honestly low-key technophobia has always been a major sentiment in otherwise tech-focused parts of the internet and it has always fascinated me.