CNN data guru Harry Enten broke down the latest polling in the Democratic Party on views toward Israel and the Palestinians on Wednesday and marveled at the massive shift in attitudes, declaring he’s “rarely” seen anything like it in his many years of looking at polling data.
Enten spoke to anchor Kate Bolduan in the context of Zohran Mamdani’s sweeping victory over ex-Gov. Andrew Cuomo in New York City’s Democratic Party mayoral primary last week.
“What are we talking about here? All right, who do Democrats sympathize more with: Israelis or Palestinians? In 2017, the Democratic Party was a pro-Israeli party. Look at this. They sympathized with the Israelis by 13 points—more with the Israelis than the Palestinians. But look at this sea change. Now, Democrats sympathize more with the Palestinians by 43 points.Oh my God! That is a change in the margin of 56 points over the course of just eight years. So all of a sudden, it’s the pro-Palestinian position that actually reigns supreme in Democratic politics, not the Israeli position. And that is part of the reason why Mamdani was able to do so well in this primary, because those attacks over Israel, simply put, did not ring true for Democrats”
Yeah, they live in a giant fascist concentration camp… it’s like interviewing North Koreans. They can get hurt, beat up
Why do people move there, then? They have a democracy. I think it’s more like living in the US where we elect our fascists. You don’t see South Koreans clamoring to support NK nor immigrating there.
Plenty of Israelis do not support the war and want a quick resolution. Then there are the fascists and fanatics that have been displacing Palestinians and settling territory for years prior. Complex for sure, but a concentration camp it is not.
Because they flew them there for eugenicist decades long experiments. Ghilisaine Maxwell’s dad is a notable example, i can give you a link about him doing that (flying Eastern European teens to Israel). The anti-Jewish hate was so severe they paid for Jews to be flown out of Europe and other countries to be basically imprisoned there. Many Jews now cannot escape. They are gaslighted about it and told it is a holy place they should visit and live at, but a lot of them know the truth and refuse to set foot in the place and call it evil.
And it’s a great place for psychopathic wealthy poeple who can move there to buy the people stuck in the city.
There’s substantial evidence Trump wasnt elected the 2nd time.
North Korea is a slave state of China and the slavery there looks different than the slavery in Israel. There’s no concerted effort to get every Korean quarantined into North Korea, is there? There’s no genocidal drive to harm Koreans afaik, maybe some Japanese or Chinese tensions in that direction but no actual movement.
Just like the slavery in Dubai look different to both of these, which the Philippines has extensively publicly talked about due to their women being victims of trafficking in Dubai. Dubai and Israel (and Las Vegas and any desert city) are similar in that they have no where to run to that isnt death/the desert. Like if they flee the city by foot, they can die of exposure. The desert acts better than prison walls. That’s part of why the homeless tell you to never be homeless in Vegas bc you will never be able to escape. Islands can be similar to this as well, and ships and fishing likewise have slavery on them which uses the water to trap people in. Some people have been enslaved on 1 tiny fishing boat for decades.
I do think the US is a large work camp too though, yeah, but it is also where refugees have historically fled to from all over the world. I think people like Putin are mad about people escaping their grip and that’s part of why America is widely hated by world leaders - we allowed rebellion against their tyranny without much consequence. That would be why China set up their own secret police stations here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1k19q0d/oc_see_how_three_billion_facebook_users_move/
https://www.nli.org.il/he/images/ nnl_archive_al990040300950205171/NLI#$FL45875197
I can’t really decipher your sources. Your claims about Israel are huge, and without evidence. There is a well documented history (and present) of Israel, but your version isn’t it.
People can leave Israel. I know plenty who have. A desert might’ve worked as a fence before vehicles were invented, especially flying ones.
These points are all either baseless conspiracy or extreme exaggeration, perhaps to make a point, but that’s not immediately clear to me.
What do you mean? Hitler himself supported it. Many Nazis and antisemetic people worldwide pushed for its creation for that purpose.
Not everyone can leave Israel, no. That’s a bold claim. And they often can’t leave by foot or boat without being in danger. There is slavery and poverty in Israel.
Vehicles are affected by heat. Headgaskets etc. Airspace is tightly controlled ofc, obviously.
It’s simply a PoV you’ve never considered. No need to externalize your stress while trying to learn it.
The existence of a lower class without much social, or even physical mobility does not establish that “most” are trapped. They’re no more trapped in a “work camp” than a poor American. I agree that modern capitalism is wage slavery and things are bleak for many. The poor and vulnerable are always the ones who suffer most.
e: Human trafficking happens everywhere, too. Just because some are exploited horribly doesn’t mean that applies to most in Israel.
It also doesn’t follow that Jews are trapped in Israel just because eugenicists and antisemites supported its creation or Jewish exodus. That’s unsurprising. Zionists exist too and staunchly believe in their right and duty to live there. Many Jews and other religious travel there freely, albeit, more freely before the latest escalations in violence.
I think Palestinians are more trapped than anyone else. I consider this a lot, but without making unsourced claims or exaggerated rhetoric
My cutie pie, the existence of the lower class and poverty is literally meant to trap us there and make us desperate. Like, the people in charge with money could fix it, and they willingly and knowingly do not, because they benefit from it. That’s an issue. That you are reflexively saying, 'well ofc the poor are experiencing everything you describe as slavery, that’s what the poor gets" - because we’ve been propagandized to believe that. It isnt true, they don’t deserve that, and that you recognize/identified some of the exact people I’m talking about and dismiss it is ugh
Yes, there is global slavery but no, Israel is different than America. In America, you can go live in the woods/nature due to the size. You can walk around in many places. Israel it is much harder to do that and they are surrounded by hostile nations. Idk why you’d downplay this lol, Israelis themselves would agree, it’s why we send them missiles. Kidnappings happen.
The average Israeli citizen doesnt and cannot travel outside the country for the most part.
There is a difference between the loud voices we’ve heard controlling the narrative of Israel vs how Israel actually functions and what the individual people who are Israeli and dislike it have to say. There were Holocaust survivors who said this about Israel at the time of its creation. This isn’t a new idea to anyone from that time period afaik but def new probably to you and other readers.
I never disputed that Palestinians had it worse. They are undergoing active genocide via direct violence (bombings, shootings, beatings, etc), starvation, dehydration, poisoning, exposure to the elements, rape, imprisonment… Idk if I missed any, I’m trying to recall all the deaths I know of. Most in Israel aren’t experiencing that.
The leaders are not the people. The wealthy are not the people. Stop buying into their ads