Once we isolate key people, we look for people we know are in their upstream – people that they read posts from, but who themselves are less influential. (This uses the same social media graph built before.) We then either start flame wars with bots to derail the conversations that are influencing influential people (think nonsense reddit posts about conspiracies that sound like Markov chains of nonsense other people have said), or else send off specific tasks for sockpuppets (changing this wording of an idea here; cause an ideological split there; etc).
The goal is to keep opinions we don’t want fragmented and from coalescing in to a single voice for long enough that the memes we do want can, at which points they’ve gotten a head start on going viral and tend to capture a larger-than-otherwise share of media attention.
(All of the stuff above is basically the “standard” for online PR (usually farmed out to an LLC with a generic name working for the marketing firm contracted by the big firm; deniability is a word frequently said), once you’re above a certain size.)
Okay. I dont understand this thread. I for one advocate for violence against Nazis. I fully expect that “peaceful protest” will lead to juuuust enough capitulation by the Nazis to calm everyone down so they go home and let the Nazis further entrench their power while the protesters think they won. Someone in the thread mentioned the dissolution of BLM and Occupy by milquetoast shitlibs; without violence the same happens here IMO. @TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
What are we advocating for here?
Worth noting that 50501, the biggest supporter of remaining “peaceful”, still has no cohesive message despite being controlled by democrats. Same shit happened with the women’s march and occupy Wallstreet.
despite being controlled by democrats
As a direct result of it, in fact.
50501 is a liberal movement whose only goal is pre-trump status quo.
Lenin talks about the need for a working class Vanguard, otherwise these spontaneous protests/movements will always get co-opted by liberals and mainstream, and eventually fizzle away. We saw it happen with BLM, occupy, women’s march, etc
I don’t have any long term hope for 50501, but we’re using the momentum to recruit for DSA and workers movements.
Vanguardism sure have worked great in the past, amirite?
It’s responsible for any successful socialist movement, so yea I’d say so.
Also this,
“The opposition party is the media,” Steve Bannon, who helped run Trump’s 2016 campaign, told PBS Frontline five years ago. “And the media can only — because they’re dumb and they’re lazy — they can only focus on one thing at a time.”
So the solution, per Bannon? Overwhelm them.
“All we have to do is flood the zone,” he said. “Every day we hit them with three things. They’ll bite on one, and we’ll get all of our stuff done, bang, bang, bang. These guys will never — will never be able to recover. But we’ve got to start with muzzle velocity.”
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/07/nx-s1-5289315/trump-week-in-review
Everybody is focusing on LA so nobody is reporting The One, Big, Beautiful Bill or the court case of 2024 voting machine tampering.
What court case? I can’t find anything. I believe you, I just can’t find it.
https://www.newsweek.com/2024-election-lawsuit-advances-2083391
And new evidence has been discovered: the auditing company which certifies voting machines is a shell company and has been dissolved.
https://dissentinbloom.substack.com/p/the-machines-were-changed-before
The federally accredited testing lab, Pro V&V, that signed off on “significant” changes to ES&S voting machines—which are used in over 40 percent of U.S. counties—“vanished from public view” after the election, according to the Dissent in Bloom Substack.
Yep, that seems pretty serious.
Thanks, I hadn’t come across that yet. Newsweek is hiding these kind of articles form their frontpage, I have no idea why. I appreciate you taking the time to source it well.
Unfortunately, it just doesn’t matter. The GOP playbook has been: accuse the other side of doing the bad thing, and then do the bad thing, so that when you get accused it sounds like more of the same.
It doesn’t matter if we have 1000 independently verified videos of Elon himself paying vote counters to fake results while holding the newspaper of that day up next to his birth certificate. People against trump will say “yeah, we know”, and people for Trump will say, “he won, get over it”.
It’s the same reason the courts found Trump guilty of falsifying records, and then did nothing: that’s not how this situation resolves itself.
There will never be a time where truth does not matter, whether you believe it does or not.
The truth does not matter. Actions matter.
That’s funny you say that, because this whole ordeal has made me realize that truth does not matter at all, and it’s a privilege to be able to live as though it does. But in most countries and throughout most of history, what is true doesn’t matter, the only thing that matters is what people believe to be true. And only if you work very hard as a society, and get lucky, do those two things coincide.
Case in point: it could have been the case that Obama was a perfect president who made the best possible decisions to most effectively care for all constituents. But that doesn’t matter if right wing media convinces half the country that he’s a radical communist terrorist who is ignoring the constitution to enrich his deep state. Regardless of what Obama did, what happens in response is what people believe he did.
🎶No one else was in the room where it happened🎶
The economic times is rated as somewhat sketch on a few bias checkers. I’m not familiar with it. It’s out of India?
