• t_berium@lemmy.world
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    14 hours ago

    Even though I punched Nazis myself back in the nineties, I think that might not be the best way to go.

    Show unconditional love, until every last idiot sees, who’s the asshole.

  • ameancow@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Ya’ll desperately wish there were right-wingers and nazis on this site. The isolationism of the internet has left the entire population having arguments in the shower and imagining how thoroughly they owned their imaginary opponents.

    Protip: you can ACTUALLY go outside and punch ACTUAL nazis at protests and demonstrations in towns near you! themoreyouknow.gif

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    I see lots of people on the left type “punch a Nazi” online but then never learn to throw a punch or lift any weights and shit on self defense culture like martial artists or even gun ownership. Punching people is not something you just do. Especially to people with Nazi mentality who probably gone their whole lives feeling anti social and waiting for a leftist to engage them.

    Not saying this to discourage but to say go learn to punch Nazis and embrace being a fucking Nazi punching bear of a person

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      I see lots of people on the left type “punch a Nazi” online

      “punch a Nazi” reads better than a more realistic “throw a feeble, limp-wristed nudge that hardly registers at a nazi that leads them to innocently ask whether you need their attention for something”

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      This site, and honestly modern leftism in general, is utterly weak and in a sorry state. Lotta tender kids hiding in their discord groups talking hard about punching nazis, overthrowing the government, revolutions, etc. But if even half of them went out and organized and voted as regularly as the conservative orc army we wouldn’t need to be boarded up behind cultural firewalls.

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        Right the people saying they’ll punch a Nazi are also people who have run to Lemmy as their sole social media because they don’t enjoy being in conflict all the time with other people who disagree with them.

        The people that go nazi I have often are usually people who thrive in conflict. It’s like a weird attention seeking thrill thing.

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          Absolutely true, and what’s really wild is most of the left is broadly prideful of being intellectual, and so desperate to have intellectual fights that they tear each other down and find ways to nitpick their own allies into destruction. Just because they need to fight someone they can win on their own terms.

          The enemy army is OVER THERE, it’s JUST RIGHT THERE! I want to shake everyone and aim all this effort to call out “problematic tones” and “cultural insensitivity” into actual action before we’re all just pawns in a techno-feudalism state, disposable as robots slowly replace even the workers, the last playing piece we had as people.

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      The left was/is stupid to let the right dominate the firearms and martial arts space. I have been doing martial arts for more than a decade, and have shot a few hundred rounds. I even own some weapons that I can legally (living in EU). Next year I’m going to a 3 days combined firearms training with an also leftist friend. There is no reason we can’t or shouldn’t do these kind of things

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        Lefty former martial-art teacher and gun owner here. I fully agree and have to argue about it a lot. This generation of lefties is completely dulled by short-attention-span self-medication and escapism and pseudo-socialization through discord and other online chats substituted for real socialization.

        Whenever you talk about the need for actual organizing, forming groups, taking action, suddenly everyone has nine-hundred very special “conditions” that prevent them from doing anything. We may have co-opted the term “snowflake” from the right but it was targeted accurately at the start. Everyone thinks “someone is coming” or that there’s going to be a revolution “any day now” as if there’s some underground left-wing movement planning things and they’re just not invited. Motherfuckers you all ARE the left-wing in this country, ya’ll think the fucking democrats are gonna save you?

        The left also gave up on the american flag, easily isolating itself in the public eye as an anti-american group. I hate that. I don’t get it. Yes, America has been awful and continues to be so, but if you don’t claim ownership of the goddamn land you live on, someone else is going to take it… and guess what’s happening.

        This is just what it’s like to get old and grumpy. Youth is wasted on the young. I did my time organizing, I did volunteer work and phone banking for my local community and leaders, I tried. I really, really tried. I even narrowly, accidentally avoided assassination a while back but details would dox me. And I get lectured here about the ten thousand reasons why they can’t do hard things, why they have been relegated to retreating to back-water websites nobody visits having imaginary fights with imaginary nazis. Part of me is so done with humanity I feel like a lot of these kids deserve the consequence of being self-absorbed and undisciplined. But I guess I still have some lingering hope that someone will read something that makes them get off the couch.

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          Part of me is so done with humanity I feel like a lot of these kids deserve the consequence of being self-absorbed and undisciplined.

          That’s understandable, considering the amount of propaganda that has always been generated about the kids these days. The best propaganda has a grain of truth in it, and preys on the fear that you’re being taken advantage of, that your efforts are for naught.

          There will always be ignorant people, there will always be lazy freeloaders, there will always be room for improvement. If you feel this means some people do not deserve solidarity, you cannot expect others to stand with you, and this is how the left crumbles.

          If the internet is making you lose faith in humanity, you should get off the internet.

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      okay, lesson here: you see those two big knuckles? those are your punching knuckles. you punch with those. you punch with the other two you’re gonna break your hand. line those up with the big bone, you got a good fist. now at least you can throw a punch without completely breaking yourself.

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      I’ve only not punched a Nazi because I don’t live in America and they’re usually around the very southern part of the country while I live in the northeast. Plus, being a Nazi here is illegal.

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    I think the following is a better idea:

    Be better than them, help people negatively affected by them, vote, try to be less cynical and more rational, instead of continuing the cycle of hatred. It is better for your own mental health and the lives of others.

    I am just as susceptible to anger as anyone else and by no means above it, just to make that clear.

    I know people don’t want to hear this, because humans are wired to be extremely responsive to hate (just look at twitter) and I don’t mean to be preachy, but this would be a much greater net positive for humanity.

    Edit: Looking at the replies makes me think we’re fucked.

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        Seeing most people thinking assault is the better option, I am not surprised. Even if you’d punch a nazi, do you think he’d go “oh shit, I get it now, sorry”? Usually both sides just radicalize more.

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          Well the point is to make it less of a popular thing to be a Nazi, and to make them be scared of being Nazis, at least publicly. The less Nazis are accepted the less people will find themselves validated in their beliefs

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            18 hours ago

            Ok, let me ask you a question then and let you come to your own conclusion. I will not reply after that.

            How do you think extremists react, when they feel threatened?

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      Ah yes, I’m sure the fascists will get their act together once they see us, respectable people holding hands and being good litte humans. That has always historically worked.

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      Yes. Do all that. Except gor the voting that’s the most important things.

      And also punch a nazi. Because if you don’t, they just wreck it all.

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      23 hours ago

      nebulaone, did we see the saw the same meme?

      We are already better than them:

      • we care for nature
      • we intersect and build solidarity
      • we feed everyone

      And we also end oppression.

      Nazis were breed into:

      • destruction of nature
      • isolation & exclusion
      • feeding only the strong

      And continue to traffick at gun point.

      What more do you want narcissistic sociopaths to do? Become liberals‽