Watch out, you’re going to upset the folks at lemmy.world
.world is upset anytime someone lightly criticizes their favorite politicans, we can ignore them.
And the german feddit
Feddit already permabanned me for calling the German government Nazis a few weeks ago so their precious eyes are protected from seeing this meme.
Every liberal would be cheering and partying in the streets if Trump got stage 4 cancer.
Then they turn around and say “Wow you’re so uncivil for cheering for the guy who has aided in a genocide, helped make COVID a permanent issue, ignored kids in cages, and made Trump run again.”
Do they just not see all the issues with their favorite candidates or are they just unable to witness their own doublethink?
Remember when they got mad after Trump said “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters”? They said it was cult-like behavior by his followers.
But when Biden bombs children, or backs a genocide, it’s somehow not cult-like behavior to keep supporting him.
Murder is bad when its the other guys, our murder is just the way things are, nothing can be done to prevent it.
Blue MAGA is not a saying born lightly. These people are truly incapable of seeing their own party for the monters they are.
And then when you call them out, you’re calling being a useful idiot for having a braincell that wasn’t fed propaganda for a doupoly.
Every time someone says “Blue MAGA isn’t a thing” I just roll my eyes and recall every time I was right about the DNC failing to protect the democracy they claim to support, and got downvoted, banned, flamed, censored, etc.
Putting a finer point on it, they would be ecstatic if it were Sanders.
If Sanders keeled over, .world would be smugly saying “Aren’t we glad he didn’t have a chance at winning? He would have turned Murica into a socialist commie hellhole!”
Nooooo guys!!! Biden genocide was better than Trump genocide! 😡😡 You don’t understand, he said he was trying not bomb children!!! 😢
I mean it is though, at least from a numbers perspective.
Neither should happen but since i don’t get that choice, I choose the option that saves millions of lives.
Not to mention the US is now party to the Ukraine genocide too.
not to mention the real threat to foreign born citizens and LGBTQ people in the United States itself.
So yes Biden is better even if we are dealing with shades of black
This is also false. Biden drastically upped the military aid to Israel after Trump left office.
The US democrats are a vicious, genocidal party.
Its also one we have a better chance to influence. What serious organization for progressives is there?
Its also one we have a better chance to influence.
Lol. LMAO, even. We can’t get them to lift a finger against fascism, dude
Lol. LMAO, even. We can’t get them to lift a finger against fascism, dude
what chances do we have with Trump then?
So far Trump has proven easier to influence against Israel just because of how petty he is.
You had a zero percent chance of influencing the Democrats, as evidenced by over a year of complete failure to do so. So no, you didn’t have a better chance to influence them
What serious organization for progressives is there?
If you don’t have an answer for this you are just trolling and not serious about any matter.
You can’t answer it either, lol, that’s why you’ve been reduced to pretending you can influence the Dems when you’ve conclusively demonstrated that you can’t.
But that makes sense, given that you admitted to being a troll.
You can’t answer it either, lol, that’s why you’ve been reduced to pretending you can influence the Dems when you’ve conclusively demonstrated that you can’t.
I did answer it and you are making fun of my answer right there. Fair enough, but I have asked you what your ideas are, and all you can say is to twiddle your thumbs.
Voting dem and making it more progressive is an actionable item. What is your alternative that is so much better?
You did not have to preface it with pretending to save anyone. You simply care only about yourself and you do not care about anyone else.
❌ Please try again
What the actual fuck ? Unhinged
As an immigrant, I’ll say this as politely as I can: fuck you. I really wish skidmarks like you would stop trying to risk my life to gain brownie points with their tankie friends.
Okay, but then if we point our finger at your face and call you a genocide supporter, you shut up and take it right?! Right?
no i wouldn’t because i don’t support it and your inability to see shades of gray will paint darker and darker paths
‘I don’t support it but I directly cast my vote for the people responsible’.
Except now Trump is starting to play hardball with Netanyahu, and is distinctly unhappy with the the U.S. taking so much flak while being treated as a money fountain.
There is a much more real world where Trump gets sick of Bibi and pulls his support than Harris pulling support from Israel. A fully isolationist U.S. is better for Palestine.
this is just right wing trolling at this point
I know I’ll get downvoted for this, and to be clear, all of our governments supporting this genocide are absolute bullshit and capitalism is bullshit.
However, at least you had one choice that wasn’t actively also trying to destroy your own country and take away the rights of people in your own country to such an extent that they now can’t even worry about what’s happening elsewhere because they’re too worried trying to find healthcare and not get deported, killed, or permanently detained.
If you were going to not vote in order to take down the system, then show up and take down the god damn fucking system.
However, at least you had one choice that wasn’t actively also trying to destroy your own country
When a normal, moral person discover that a country is hellbent on genocide, they would think that destroying that country is a good thing.
take away the rights of people in your own country
The genocide in the colonies must continue for the benefit of the people in the capital.
they now can’t even worry about what’s happening elsewhere
So you were worrying before? Certainly didn’t accomplish anything.
Thank you, no need for me to add anything
“I’ll get downvoted for this but…” Says the most valid take everNevermind
The valid take of “yes the people I support are committing the worst acts imaginable to mankind, but I stand to personally benefit, so it’s actually good to support them.”
You made me think I supported someone who was against Palestine, he literally does not say that, you only infer that just because he isn’t fully anti-democrat and is using the ‘lesser evil’ arguementOh the thinks Palestine/Hamas will destroy Israel nevermind
Where the fuck did I say Palestine would destroy Israel?
I am 100% pro-Palestine, I just genuinely do not understand how voting someone in who has exponentially sped up the genocide and sped up the suffering of brown, queer people and women, in his own country is somehow the more moral choice in all of this. It doesn’t make any fucking sense to me.
I’ve already run into this today and been accused of alienating “Palestine supporters” for suggesting that Joe Biden deserves a bomb dropped on his head.
Fucking civility perverts…
I’d imagine if one genuinely cares about stopping the genocide they’d be exactly as civil as they’d strategically need to be.
If your excitement in the cancer diagnosis of a old man is more important to you I get why people are weirded out.
The strategically needed civility is zero
Civility is oppression
I wish you luck in the war on manners.
I’m sure you’ll be as magnanimous when Trump dies.
I’m sure as well. I don’t want the guy to die, I want him to stop doing harm.
If death is how that happens I could take that. If death isn’t necessary I’d prefer it.
Ideally we could try people who commit war crimes publicly.
Well good luck trying to persuade people not to celebrate his death in the spaces that are currently banning you for celebrating Biden’s.
I’m not going to be trying to persuade anyone about culture war bullshit that doesn’t matter.
The original guy was talking about strategy. Is there a strategic reason to try to persuade those people not to celebrate Trump’s death?
“Manners” are rituals to designed cast out anyone who is “different”
Its disguised ableism
Whilst you are bending over to be polite to people, they are responsible for a genocide. But yes, go you for your brave stance with being civil.
they are responsible for a genocide
So then shouldn’t we do everything strategically possible to oppose the genocide?
Why is “we should adopt the best strategy possible to stop genocide” so offensive to you?
Sorry, but you are suggesting that the best strategy possible to stop the genocide is to be nice to the person committing the genocide. Can you explain to me how that helps stop the genocide because I’m clearly to dense to grasp it.
Maybe you could point to some recent examples where genocides were stopped by being really nice to the perpetrators.
Sorry, but you are suggesting that the best strategy possible to stop the genocide is to be nice to the person committing the genocide
No, I suggested we adopt the best strategy regardless of what it is.
You said that even if the best strategy possible is to be nice, you wouldn’t consider doing do.
Was being nice to Biden the best strategy do you think? Is being nice to Trump the best strategy?
The best strategy starts with you personally being shoved into a locker for other’s amusement
Can you explain to me how that helps stop the genocide because I’m clearly to dense to grasp it.
It’s extremely in character for a blueMaga lib to respond to that question by linking to a youtube clip from a comedy show.
still more serious then you
Which one though? Is it Xi Jinping? Putin? Charles Taylor? Bush? Blair? Netanyahu? Ratko Mladic? Jean Kambanda? Samphan? Assad (not that old I suppose)?
There are so many of them
ETA: I see the downvotes. I truly have no fucking clue who you are talking about. Duterte? Lukashenko?
Most of those names wouldn’t make sense for this meme
I think it’s Biden
Don’t forget Germany, Italy, Canada, UK, and India. They also provided munitions to Israel after October 7th.
Thanks. Fair enough.
typical American playing dumb and projecting their crimes on others.
its so funny seeing all the libs seething that many people think biden got what he had coming if not got off extremely easily considering the evil shit he’s done. they dont see the evil tho. they just see that he’s a democrat so surely that must mean he’s good.
when brandon dies the universe will be righting a wrong. fuck him. no sympathy or empathy for him or his fucked up family who have neither for any of us or our families or especially those in palestine or otherwise exploited oppressed nations
They see Biden like he’s their dying racist grandpa
I won’t excuse genocide. And apparently I’m the devil because of it.
If someone can excuse genocide that’s a personal failing they should see to.
Liberals: but what if we compromised, how about only some genocide? What if Israel only tortured half as many babies? What if Israel only illegally annexed half of the West Bank instead of their current plan to annex the entire thing? What if people were able to afford 50% of rent and 50% of all bills? What if we only cut Medicare and Medicaid by 50%?
What if Netanyahu put pronouns in bio?
Don’t be silly, liberals aren’t offering to spare half the Palestinians, there offering “killing all of them, but with a troubled expression on our face.”
You leftist rabble-rousers with your lofty ideals of “not doing a genocide” don’t know anything about getting elected and getting things done
*loses 2 elections to the most disliked president in history*
DAMN YOU PUTIN!
No one said it was fine that Harris supported Israel.
What we all said was there are only two candidates who could win the election, and they both support the genocide. We condemned the one-sided criticism, not the facts.
Actually a huge number of people said it was fine that Harris supported Israel, as well as a huge number who engaged in heavy denialism about Harris’ support of genocide.
I saw a ton of people that tried to say Kamala would be better without any actual evidence of that.
Do you think she would’ve upgraded the 5-ton bombs to 10-ton bombs, and provided bulldozers to turn the West Bank into a billionaire resort too?
According to recent reports stating that Biden never applied any pressure to israel, and considering she never made herself different than him on israel, I have no doubt if they asked she would have.
Since we are in a post election situation, by constantly scape goating voters, you are doing one sided criticism.
Trump helps genocide and he is a bad guy, Biden and Harris help genocide but the voters should have accepted it essentially.
If we refuse to hold the dems accountable for their actions which directly led to Trump winning, they will plot the same course for the next election.
Am I? More people voted against Trump than for him. If the third-party voters accepted that they can’t change the rigged system by voting third-party, Harris would’ve won.
Be glad those third parties exist. Those people would have spite voted for Trump instead, not for Harris.
At least they’d be forced to own their complicity instead of hiding behind a pointless action.
At the moment of voting there was only one choice which had been complicit in genocide up to that point.
Are you for real?
Trump repealed restrictions on Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory. Netanyahu was so grateful, he named a settlement after him in occupied Golan Heights. He also said Israel needs to “finish the job” and stop recording their atrocities because they’re “losing the PR war.”
If the dems had catered to voters instead of kneeling in front of a foreign apartheid state and its genocide, Harris would have won.
Politicians can choose what they represent and the platform they put forward. I don’t want to have to vote for genocide so democracy can live again, I want the dems to drop their pro-genocide stance. Blaming voters is the opposite of asking for change.
What we all said was there are only two candidates who could win the election
Yeah, Joe Biden and Donald Trump, I remember.
A Democrat or a Republican. Welcome to the United States. Select one of the two or one will be selected for you.
*Select one and one will be selected for you anyway
It’s that type of flawless, disengaging thought that brought you the Trump administration. Twice. Maybe try something different to get the 90M eligible voters to show up?
Shocking idea but I do not give a shit about the Democrats, maybe they should be trying to appeal to voters rather than the other way around? Oh wait, they cant because as the saying goes your vote doesn’t matter unless you buy it in advance.
Nor do I. I did give a shit about preventing the election of a fascist dictator. Apparently that was not as important to you.
I can’t excuse either genocide or cancer jokes.
How Chase Oliver would handle Israel | Centre Stage shorts
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZUKEznaw8aU
Oh, and the USSR—under Stalin—was the first country to recognize the Zionist state of Israel.
Yeah Biden absolutely could’ve withheld aid and ended the genocide with 1 phone call but he loves genocide too much
I think it’s indifference rather than love, but yeah, he could have done so much with so little to stop it, with little risk of the Democrats losing the White House in 2024. Ditto Harris. (Ditto Trump—health concerns aside, he still has 45 months to at least try to redeem himself a bit.)
The Leahy law required that he withhold arms sales.
He broke the law for netanyahu.
Then I suppose he can be prosecuted.
By whom?
Presumably an American court.
Neither democrats nor republicans are willing to prosecute, so the law is meaningless.
Lucky you.
Biden has a life time of publicly loving the genocidal state of Israel.
I suppose; but many Americans preferred him to Trump.
Ok, what’s your point?
Many Americans would rather vote for a leader who supports Israeli genocide of Palestinians a little less than the Republican candidate who supports Israeli genocide of Palestinians a little more. It’s why if I was American, I’d support neither Democrats nor Republicans.
Ok…? What does any of that have to do with the point at hand?
It’s also not true, Biden has been a hard core supporter of Israel’s genocide for decades, the idea that he supports it less than the Republicans is just genocide apologia.
The USSR and Stalin were bad, whats your point? Can you say the same of biden and condemn him?
I sometimes think of this when leftists, particularly tankies, attack (presumably all) non-far-right non-leftists for dithering, or allegedly dithering, on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict;
but yeah, Joe Biden was/is bad for supporting Israel. Ditto Harris, Bill Maher, and Fetterman.
And just to be clear, we’re not attacking them for “dithering” on the Palestine genocide (not “conflict”, genocide); we’re attacking them for actively and consistently supporting the genocide. The idea that they’re just “dithering” is a lie liberals tell themselves so they can keep supporting genocidal fascists without feeling bad about themselves.
So according to you, there are no non-leftists who oppose the genocide of Palestinians.
You know somebody has completely run out of arguments when they start doing the “So according to you , [something that in no way resembles anything say said]” thing.
I’ll take that as a “Yes, no non-leftists oppose the genocide of Palestinians.”
OK. I can’t stop you from ignoring what I said and making up your own unrelated statement in your imagination.
Whataboutism
I suppose some of it, yes; but still, maybe tankies shouldn’t generalize too much.
You say, generalising
If we bully him enough, the genocide will stop.
He needed to be bullied more while he had power
is that relevant
Not to people who didn’t want our involvement with netanyahu’s genocide to cease.
Yes, the bullying could work on someone who has power, but its a few months too late to sway biden on anything
Ah – I was being sarcastic when I said “if we bully him enough, the genocide will stop.” Perhaps I should have added
/s.
At this point it’s more of an ethnic cleansing.
This comment is funny because I don’t even know what you’re trying to say, but it’s so wrong anyway. It used to be a genocide? It’s never been a genocide? “At this point”?
It’s a genocide.
Israel's Genocide on Occupied Palestine
- De-Gaza: A Year of Israel’s Genocide and the Collapse of World Order - Euro-Med Monitor Report see Chapter 2 and 3
Our first-hand observations of the medical and humanitarian catastrophe inflicted on Gaza are consistent with the descriptions provided by an increasing number of legal experts and organizations concluding that genocide is taking place in Gaza.
- Doctors Without Borders: Life in the death trap that is Gaza
It examines the killing of civilians, damage to and destruction of civilian infrastructure, forcible displacement, the obstruction or denial of life-saving goods and humanitarian aid, and the restriction of power supplies. It analyses Israel’s intent through this pattern of conduct and statements by Israeli decision-makers. It concludes that Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.
- Amnesty: Israel’s Genocide Against Palestinians in Gaza Revealed Through Evidence and Analysis Video and Israel/Occupied Palestinian Territory: ‘You Feel Like You Are Subhuman’: Israel’s Genocide Against Palestinians in Gaza Report
On 26 January 2024, the ICJ said that it was plausible that Israel had breached the Genocide Convention. As an emergency measure, it ordered Israel ensure that its army refrained from genocidal acts against Palestinians.
The ICJ reported, as part of its decisions in March and May, that the situation in Gaza had deteriorated and that Israel had failed to abide by its order in January.
So, when we look at the actions taken, the dropping of thousands and thousands of bombs in a couple of days, including phosphorus bombs, as we heard, on one of the most densely populated areas around the world, together with these proclamations of intent, this indeed constitutes genocidal killing, which is the first act, according to the convention, of genocide. And Israel, I must say, is also perpetrating act number two and three — that is, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and creating condition designed to bring about the destruction of the group by cutting off water, food, supply of energy, bombing hospitals, ordering the fast evictions of hospitals, which the World Health Organization has declared to be, quote, “a death sentence.” So, we’re seeing the combination of genocidal acts with special intent. This is indeed a textbook case of genocide.
More than 800 scholars of international law and genocide have signed a public statement arguing that the Israeli military may be committing genocidal acts against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip as the total siege and relentless airstrikes continue to inflict devastation on the occupied territory.
An independent United Nations expert warned Monday that “Israel’s genocidal violence risks leaking out of Gaza and into the occupied Palestinian territory as a whole” as Western governments, corporations, and other institutions keep up their support for the Israeli military, which stands accused of grave war crimes in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.
Our documentation encompasses over 500 incitements of violence and genocidal incitement, appearing in the forms of social media posts, television interviews, and official statements from Israeli politicians, army personnel, journalists, and other influential personalities.
I, Lee Mordechai, a historian by profession and an Israeli citizen, bear witness in this document to the situation in Gaza as events are unfolding. The enormous amount of evidence I have seen, much of it referenced later in this document, has been enough for me to believe that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian population in Gaza. I explain why I chose to use the term below. Israel’s campaign is ostensibly its reaction to the Hamas massacre of Oct. 7, 2023, in which war crimes and crimes against humanity were committed within the context of the longstanding conflict between Israelis and Palestinians that can be dated back to 1917 or 1948 (or other dates). In all cases, historical grievances and atrocities do not justify additional atrocities in the present. Therefore, I consider Israel’s response to Hamas’ actions on Oct. 7 utterly disproportionate and criminal.
🤓 akshually its an ethnic cleansing not a genocide.
As if that makes it any less atrocious.
libs really see themselves as valiant heroes when they needlessly play semantics on the topic of genocide.
yea, arguing semantica is the only thing left to do when you have no argument at all
I suppose “ethnic cleansing” is a euphemism for genocide.
