I hear open carry is a good way to make cops respect you.
Mostly /s
“If we see any violence we will kick the living shit out of you!”.
“And if we don’t see any violence we will kick the shit out of you!”
Does this mean that the police will not be using violence? :)
Protestors should warn the police that violence will not be tolerated!
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My comment was removed for “advocating violence”, so I’ll try to make myself clear:
First of all, I did not intend to advocate violence.
I was trying to advocate that people be vocal about the fact that there is a certain amount of violent suppression they will tolerate before they turn to violent resistance.
This isn’t about condoning violence. It’s about loudly warning the authorities about what often happens when protesters are suppressed using unwarranted force.
Furthermore, it’s about recognising that everyone has a right to self defence, and making the authorities aware of that. If the police open fire on innocent civilians, they have a right to fight back. If the police beat a peaceful protester, they have a right to fight back. If unidentified people attempt to illegally arrest a protester, they have a right to fight back. The authorities have said things that make it appear as if they haven’t recognised this, and I’m advocating that they be made aware of it.
This means:
- Loudly inform the authorities of your right to assemble and express yourself.
- Loudly inform the authorities of your right to defend yourself using force if those rights are infringed upon.
- Use violence only as an absolutely last resort.
The issue is just that if people start burning things or breaking into stores or things like that, then the police has to dissolve the aggregation because the complicit people cannot be identified on short notice. That requires an investigation, which takes time.
If bad things happen then it would be best if people actually helped stop the vandalism or whatever could happen. It sucks for those who don’t participate in the lawless behavior, but what is the police supposed to do? Let people destroy innocent people’s property?
I totally support the protests, but people have to realize that when things take a wrong turn then the police have limited options. A lot of damage can be done in a very short amount of time when a gathering turns into a mob, so things have to be stopped.
It totally sucks that vandals often destroy it for the peaceful protesters, but what other solutions do you suggest to the police’s dilemma?
Have you ever actually been to a protest? Cops absolutely go after vandals, but going after vandals NEVER means opening fire on a square of people who are literally sitting down and chanting.
This has happened. Numerous times. Don’t defend the fascists who simply get a hard on for attacking civilians.
The vandals hide among the rest, so the police has to disband everyone to stop things from reoccurring. When people don’t disperse when told to do so, or fight against the police when they try to make them comply, then things escalate. The police doesn’t have other options, sadly.
People have to realize that the police don’t do things if everyone follows the rules. They aren’t pigs or fascists, but people like the rest of us. The narrative on this site has gone completely haywire.
There are some policemen who do wrong stuff. I don’t know how many police officers are in the US, but I would be surprised if it is less than 200k. Take the stories you have heard and divide that number by 200,000, and consider the fact that they are put in rough positions a lot more often than you and I, and you should arrive at the result that they aren’t any worse than the rest of us.
The dehumanizing of the cops here on Lemmy is rampant, and it isn’t fair to the vast majority of cops who don’t do the bad stuff.
My brother in Christ, you are the violence that will not be tolerated.
You know what? Violence brought on by police won’t be tolerated by us.
Don’t start none
won’t be none
Great, then the cops should stay home
Then they should go home
Ok then you shouldn’t commit any?
Good. So the cops should be on their best behavior.
They say that but only apply it to the protestors, not the bastards in uniform and riot gear that shoot and beat people unprovoked. It’s always tolerated if the violence is being handed out by the state.
The greatest rule of violence is its only violence if it flows up hill. 9/11 violence, the starving of civilians through embargo’s? Magically not violence
Wouldn’t be surprised if they have instigators embedded.
Palantir has likely put together entire ops plans, including instigators, making sure the “right” journalists capture that protestor violence, and immediately spreading it over right wing media to ensure they get more and more fired up and ready to shoot their neighbors once Trump builds his “freedom militia” or whatever
Of course they do, they learned after the BLM protests
Ah so does that mean the fascist pigs will fuck off?
Unless they instigate it, of course
