• macniel@feddit.org
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    8 days ago

    Jesus Christ… You still have ten fucking years to go all electric. So instead of lamanting get to fucking work!

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      8 days ago

      Many companies have expertise producing things, which are not needed at all in EVs. That means switching industries or let the company die and make as much money in the meantime as possible. Given how difficult it is to switch industries, many choose the later option. For them complaining is just logical.

      Also oil companies.

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        8 days ago

        The same was true for steam engines, they were not forbidden but the companies that only complained still went bankrupt.

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          8 days ago

          The reason steam engines went went away was because of economics. Electric motors where more powerful, more efficient, fewer moving parts and less maintenance, can power up instantly and don’t need to heat up a boiler for an hour before it’s ready - so in short cheaper to run.

          The problem I see with EVs in germany is that electricity costs are already high, and with extra fees on fast charging the price advantage is not there compared to petrol - at least not if you rely on public charging and don’t have a solar roof at home.

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            8 days ago

            Ok do you know a single person that relies on public charging for their ev? Cuz I don’t.

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            8 days ago

            An EV is at 15-20kWh/100km so with 0.3€/kWh we are talking 4.5-6€/100km. Average petrol car is at 7.7l/100km. With prices of 1.6€/l we are talking 12.3€/100km. So about twice as much as an EV for home charging. With fast charging it would be about the same. The electric motor being less problematic is also true against a combustion engine. It should last longer, if built properly.

            Also the reason EVs are more expensive is that there is a lack of cheap batteries. We currently see a lot of factories being built. This means lower battery prices and therefore lower EV prices. Some of the offers of BYD and the like are already very good.

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              7 days ago

              I drive electric in Germany and I wish the price is what you claim. On a public charger it is >0,5€/kWh.

              It’s up to >0,8€/kWh when they pull a quick one and charge you out of network prices - which is a constant danger when driving long distance.

              It’s almost as bad as mobile roaming used to be before the EU stepped in. I’m not planning to go back but the pricing is fucked up. The price schemes need to be regulated.

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                  7 days ago

                  I’m aware. Comparing home prices to gas stations is apples & pears though. Especially since most people won’t be able to charge at home.

                  Did you so far only drive short distance/commute or did you get to ‘enjoy’ the pricing schemes on fast chargers?