• apftwb@lemmy.world
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    9 hours ago

    Do I like seeing him fuck with Trump? Yes.

    Is he a dirty neo liberal? Yes.

    Would I support him in a primary for President in 2028? Probably not. I sure hope someone better shows up.

    Would I support him if he won the Democratic primary? Yes. Assuming we get elections. Assuming the DNC hasn’t fully fractured and a third party candidate cannot reasonably win.

    Would he fix our country? No. See item 2.

    Thank you for coming to my TED talk. Its not hard, people.

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      8 hours ago

      Good take. Maybe the Kamala protest abstainers will have a fresh enough dose of Trumpism to remember that halfway-kind-of-decent-sometimes is better than literally-the-worst-possible-decision-at-all-times. I hope we still have elections. I hope we are not stuck with Newsom as the only choice. But if we are, he IS the only choice, and even though he’s not nearly a progressive, he is far closer to it than whatever the GOP rolls out with in 3 years (whether it is Trump again, Trump Jr., Vance, or a new piece of shit far right authoritarian). We need to make sure he wins, and that means getting your asses to the booth. All of us. Even you.

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        I also have noticed that literally 0 of the “we can’t vote for Democrats, stop voting for them, that is the way to progress” strategists have anything to say about candidates to support before the primary, protest organizations to join in the meantime, anything generally productive that is outside of the general election they’re so gung-ho about giving their input to.

        Right now would be the time to be looking around for good midterm or primary candidates who aren’t corporate whores, talking up third parties or reforms that would make third parties viable, all that kind of stuff. Nope. Just “let the Republicans win” in the general election, and then, crickets. And now occasionally popping up to shit on Gavin Newsom when he’s tangling with Trump, like a romantic partner who is grabbing on your arm and screaming “stop it!” while you’re in the middle of a fistfight. Just fuckin’ helping, the lot of them, from morning till night.

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      9 hours ago

      I desperately wish it was this straightforward to the majority of people who shape our future in this country.

      I am firmly convinced that most of our population doesn’t have internal language, no internal tools for abstracting ideas into mental words for comparison and evaluation, and just spout rhetoric by instinct. Literally, this is why everyone seems so stupid… they’ve changed the way their minds work by scrolling all day, every day, and not socializing and not changing habits.

      Nuance is something that you can only arrive at if you have this mental narrative tool that lets you see multiple angles of an issue.

      This means that our future of politics is going to be entirely grifters riding on this fact and creating over-the-top caricatures and WWE theater style politics. And people will eat it up because everyone just wants something to be all-in for or all-against so they can fight with the opposing fans. We’re so fucking cooked.

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        Yeah it can’t be that people are frustrated about living in a country where they’re in a permanent minority and will never be happy with their government.

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          7 hours ago

          Thank you for the non-sequitur response. I will return in kind with “Banana kneecap caterpillar establishment.”

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              6 hours ago

              I am dismissing your complete lack of effort in engaging with a point, if it makes you feel better to think of someone who called that shit out as a “lib” then have it, meanwhile I will continue to rally people behind the point that a third of our population is too stupid with to continue to engage with using the same liberal political methods of inclusion and mediocrity and financial status-quo. I don’t know where that leaves you, but please do it over there on the other side of the curb.

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                6 hours ago

                You said people are stupid and lack a sense of nuance.

                I pointed out that people are frustrated and don’t give a fuck about nuance anymore, and that’s why we’re fucked.

                Sorry I didn’t spell that out for you.

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                  6 hours ago

                  Yes, you do have to make an effort to connect topics when communicating.

                  And sure, there is a problem with apathy, but that’s not THE problem. The last three presidential elections have seen the highest voter turnout in American history, it’s not a problem with people not caring as much as being too easily swayed to care about the wrong things, and this comes from a lack of education, lack of language skills, lack of cognitive ability broadly. When you say “People are too frustrated to care about nuance” yes, this IS stupidity. Stupidity isn’t some magic potion, it’s caused by things. In this case, it’s been designed by corporate interests using fascism to further this goal of a dumb, easily manipulated population.

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                    6 hours ago

                    I think ignoring emotions and just calling people stupid is simplistic and insulting.

                    Strong emotions are known to make people stupider. The more they fall behind the more frustrated they get and the less they care that the official economic metrics say things are fine.

                    They see children being shot in the streets of Gaza and they’re infuriated at their impotence to do anything to stop it.

                    Just calling them stupid is only going to make them more angry and irrational.