• skinnydugan@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Dr. Cox was right: “I’m fairly sure if they took porn off the internet, there’d only be one website left, and it’d be called ‘Bring Back the Porn.'”

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    I have to admit, of all the nations on earth, I never expected this sort of puritanical theatrical authoritarianism out of the french.

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      They’ve been trying to block it for many years now.

      France has been going downhill for quite some time. Many proposals for chat control and tracking… even recently, we got a law proposal that aimed at banning E2EE 😵

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          When it’s not about protecting kids, it’s about fighting drugs

          They always have a “good” reason to remove our freedom, because apparently security seems much more important, and it seems like it’s the only way to do it. Lol.

        • SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          Authoritarians have embraced internet culture somehow.

          I’m curious how they got Gen Z so curtailed.

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        Politicians are always trying to ban encryption in every country. I remember it happening constantly in the 90s. And it happens because politicians don’t understand that you can’t ban math

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      To clarify, the french didn’t ban pornhub, it’s the company behind pornhub who decided to deny it’s access in France to protest a law proposal that is currently getting examined in parliament

      Ps : The law in question would require all porn sites to verify the age of its users

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        The law in question would require all porn sites to verify the age of its users

        Wait aren’t they proposing the same thing in the US as well? It’s a fairly standard thing of right-wing governments to just demand the impossible with no understanding about it could possibly be achieved.

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          They understand just how hard it would be to comply. And that’s the point. Make it hard enough to meet the requirements to not make worth a business’ while to comply. And the politicians can say “We didn’t ban PornHub. They blocked you from access.”

          It’s a common tool both the left and right use to control behaviors. Governments around the world do this all the time.

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          Right, because we’ve never checked ID for things like tobacco and alcohol before?

          These porn companies should work on efficient cost effective ways to verify adults instead of using politics and social media to increase profits. I’m sure you are aware profit is higher if children are allowed on their websites.

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            It’s very different handing my ID to a store clerk, who barely looks at it because my birth year starts with 19, from uploading a photo of that ID to a sketchy service who now has a permanent documentation of precisely who I am and what sort of freaky shit I’m into.

            Sure, the tracking services already know this, but they don’t also have a photo of my ID that I willingly gave to them to prove it’s me.

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              Are you embarrassed you look at porn? There’s plenty of ways to manage without an internet connection. Go grab a compilation torrent.

              Even if all these sites went verification tonight, you’d still be able to privately jerk off to whatever it is you want to hide so bad.

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                  I’m not opposed to vpns. I simply don’t want porn accessible to children easily. Simple barriers to entry like an ID or credit card have worked before and surely will again once porn streaming sites give up fighting this regulation and start working to follow it.

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            How about we put some responsibility on parents to keep their kids away from potentially harmful Internet content, instead of relying on the state to do it for us in large swathes, affecting literally anyone who goes to those sites, legally or not? Surely you’re more on board with responsible parenting than everyone having to hand over their legal identification to a fucking porn site.

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              Its on both sides of the relationship, parent and porn provider. Same as with alcohol and tobacco, if you don’t have parents doing their part, those kids end up with that stuff anyways.

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                Brick and mortar shops aren’t comparable to websites, and I don’t know why you keep trying to compare them. The places that sell alcohol and tobacco aren’t asking me to upload a digital version of my legal identification to some cloud-backed database. They’re just manually checking a date and a picture. Most places I buy from don’t even make me physically hand over my ID, I can just show it to them without it ever leaving my possession.

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      They should actually take to the streets (again). Not joking. What is this nanny-state BS?

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      I know right? Aren’t there nude beaches in the south of France where people will fuck in broad daylight with others watching?

      French citizens please confirm (for uh, science, and not vacation planning)!

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        Yes, there are. But you misunderstood the news: France didn’t block pornhub, pornhub blocked France as a protest against a new law.

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    Peak French stupidity, this isn’t about protecting kids - it’s about building surveillance infrastructure. Back in 2024, critics already called this the foundation for a “Great Firewall of France”. Once you have the legal framework to block websites and force ISPs to implement monitoring, mission creep is inevitable.

    The technical approach is laughably naive. They’re essentially creating a centralized system that could easily become a database of citizen sexual preferences. Even with their “double anonymity,” you’re still creating digital fingerprints and metadata trails.

    Most importantly, it won’t work. Kids will just use VPNs - the same way adults are already doing. You’re not protecting anyone; you’re just pushing everyone toward circumvention tools while normalizing government control over what adults can access online.

    It’s perfectly French because it combines maximum bureaucratic complexity with zero practical benefit, all while creating new opportunities for state overreach. Classic.

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        Fair point on the current system being theater, but here’s the thing - any centralized age verification system creates exactly the surveillance database you’re worried about.

        The “harder than clicking yes” solutions all have the same fundamental flaw: they require collecting and storing sensitive data that becomes a honeypot for both state actors and bad actors. Upload your ID? Now there’s a database linking your identity to your viewing habits. Credit card verification? Same problem, plus you’re creating financial trails.

        The technical reality is that determined kids will circumvent anything you put in place. We already saw this play out - VPN registrations exploded 1,000% in France within 30 minutes. You’re not actually protecting kids; you’re just normalizing data collection on adults while teaching every teenager in the country how to use Tor.

        Better approach would be device-level parental controls that parents can configure without creating centralized databases. Let Apple, Google, Microsoft handle age verification through their existing account systems where the data stays local. That way you get actual protection without building the infrastructure for a surveillance state.

        The French solution gives you the worst of both worlds - ineffective protection AND mass surveillance. Classic government efficiency.

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      Political theater. “Won’t somebody think of the children?” is an easy win for politicians.

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          Yeah the point is just to soften the populace to the idea. Our fucking PM covered for pedophile priests in a Catholic school 30 years ago, he doesn’t give any fuck about kids.

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          If you are paying for a VPN and you have buffering problems, change to another VPN, that one is shit.

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    I’m shocked that this many people feel the need to disobey a rule that is only there to help the children. Next step must be to ban VPNs altogether, and enforcing all Internet users to be identified with their real identity (/s obviously).

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    How about you just parent your children? But it’s not about the children, that’s just always the convenient excuse

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    If you at all think that people can be addicted to social media, you could draw a correlation from this to porn addiction.

    I know a lot of you either don’t think porn can be addictive and/or don’t think it can have negative effects on society.

    Ask yourselves why the logic works for social media but not porn.

    EDIT: I’m gonna have to do an experiment and see if I get more downvotes for saying negative things about porn or positive things about Israel. Unfortunately I think it’d be pretty close.

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      France passed a law requiring porn sites to verify age of all site visitors. Pornhub is blocking France instead of forcing its visitors to provide ID.

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        wow, didn’t expect that from france. I thought they, of all countries, would be less prudish than Texas about porn. 😬

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          Texas isn’t the first. I think it was started by Germany? I know the UK banned women’s orgasms and Australia banned hentai. Heck, India apparently banned porn altogether, ineffectively.

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              They banned the physical books, but they can’t really stop the internet

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            I know the UK banned women’s orgasms

            Why? To prevent British women from having expectations?

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              Because female cum is urine according to the powers that be, and that’s too much for them.

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              You said porn is evil. Seems pretty relevant to reply saying things aren’t all good or evil.

              I could explain it slowly in simpler terms with easy words, if it helps?

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                If you have a position state it directly instead of hiding behind a low effort platitude.

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                  I did. My position is that there is nuance and not everything can be described as good or evil.
                  Please learn to read.

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    I mean for context with the TikTok comparison using a VPN didn’t get you around the TikTok ban unless you also made an entirely new account.