I honestly didn’t expect her to survive this one. She made it publicly known what she was doing so Israel couldn’t say it was a normal bombing of transport ships. But I figured they would use her as an example and destroy the ship.
One person on board with her is a European Union member of parliament from France. That provides a lot more protection than Greta’s reputation can.
Israel shot at a group of European diplomats two weeks ago and Europe did not care.
Greta has way more clout than the European Parliament.
I listen to the news almost every day and missed that. I guess it shows how bad things are that it didn’t make the news…
Because no one died, I don’t think anyone was hit either
I’m so happy she survived! They where smart enough to let her live!
What an anemic headline. How did she become detained? By an act of piracy and kidnapping in international waters. CNN is a tool of the oligarchs.
By an act of piracy and kidnapping in international waters.
you might disagree with what’s happening but this was legal. Israel has a blockade there
It’s a really good example of how abuse and evil can often be legal while doing what’s right can often be illegal.
Intercepting a ship that intends to run a blockade in international waters is legal according to international law. The flotilla had stated its intention repeatedly and were warned several times before being intercepted and finally boarded.
That assumes the blockade is legal though? Has an international court that is recognized by the ship’s flag country declared the legality of the blockade?
I don’t know of a court ruling. The UN‘s Palmer Report declared it Legal.
However as with lots of things regarding international law, there are different opinions.
Icj in 2024 said it was illegal. They wasn’t even intercepted in gaza water. No matter how you look at it it was illegal.
And Palestine is now saved, THANKS GRETA!
You have no rights to that name. The eight doctor would never spew drivvel like that.
The fuck have you done?
Did she ever accomplish anything other than going to places getting arrested and changing absolutely nothing?
What is her job? Going around the world with seemingly unlimited funds and giving some interviews? Just sounds like a Kardashian with extra steps.
Raising awerness . Many protests was organized after that
What is her job? Going around the world with seemingly unlimited funds and giving some interviews? Just sounds like a Kardashian with extra steps.
Yes, she did. She provided mutual aid. She might not have saved the entire world, but no one ever does. She helped a few, and that is more than anyone could say about you.
She helped a few, and that is more than anyone could say about you.
I donate to unicef so I guess I did the same as her without the free trips and celebrity status, where is my Nobel?
You are lying about donating to unicef
I hate that someone recorded this without her consent.
Wait… are we framing her as a kidnapped child or a POW? Gotta make sure everyone is on the same page when making propaganda about this.
She’s defintely an adult. But yeah apprehended in international waters, taken to a country that she didn’t chose to enter willingly, and then deported.
She intended to enter territorial waters and breach the blockade. That’s intention to enter.
Yeah obviously they were there to enter they said it over and over… how else would aid get in if actually getting in wasn’t the plan? Even if they weren’t there to enter, for some reason, the fact that they said they were going to enter so many times would be considered credible
The aid gets in through the official open crossings, Eretz for example. Not by breaching a naval blockade.
Where are all the people telling me she was goinf to be tortured and killed now?
Public attention from them and others is why she’s being gently handled. You should thank those who raised the alarm on her behalf, not Israel.
Shoehorni g reality to fit their believes it seems.
The last one was attacked by drones. They was a chance. Great that it didn’t happen
Right here. I would have never in a million years have imagined that they would just let her go. This is an extremely surprising turn of events.
Consider this: You might be misinformed about the whole situation.
She could do the funniest thing now and get on the next humanitarian boat back.
Edit: me do grammar poorly
She already said that she’d do just that. Let’s see how fast they’ll let her leave next time. If at all.
They will let her leave. Not letting her leave would be more of a problem for them and probably what she wants.
I dunno. If you can get away with murdering civilians, children, aid workers and journalists. Maybe you want to start testing if you can get away with murdering celebrities.
Nah. That’s when people care. They’ll put her in a golden prison and use her to look good after they free her.
One of the activist is a journalist who said thst they didn’t allow her to sleep. Rima hassan was threaatned to smash her face.
EDIT: Kidnapping. The word you’re ignoring in the title is kidnapping.
Y’all are delusional trying to make 'kidnapping" a thing 🤣
They was jailed for navigating on internal water. It is illegal therefore it’s abduction
What would you call intercepting someone in international waters and taking them back to your country without their consent? If Somali pirates did that you’d have no qualms using the word ‘kidnapped’.
It’s a blockade for a war zone. Standard practice for centuries, unless they just shoot you which was the previous option for most of humanity.
Now let’s get pedantic and have someone screech that Israel doesn’t recognize Palestine and it’s not a war so no blockade 🙄
The blockade is illegal and israel didn’t do it job to allow enough food and aid to enter which is an obligation. They are even shooting people seeking aid
Yeah it’s real typical for kidnappings to be publicly known, announced in advance and then the victim safetly returned promptly, entirely unharmed. Im sure you can fram it as a kidnapping with some backflips, but you just look like a whiny child. She was captured and held unlawfully sure, but if it was actually for humanitarian aid and not self publicity, i might have some sympathy.
She was kidnapped then released while other are still in jail for doing nothing illegal
Good. They’re interfering in things they hardly understand.
They understand everything about israel 57 years of occupation
Israel does not feel a need to hide their crimes because they believe any action they take is righteous because they are doing it and any action their enemies take is evil because they are doing it
Becuase thy know the whole world won’t do anything
When the UN doesn’t stop the Israeli’s from declaring it a conflict zone. It’s technically not kidnapping. Just like how the US abducted people in Iraq and Afghanistan.
No. They never entered anywhere Israel is legally allowed to exclude even in war It being full of aid and verifiable non combatants.
It’s kidnapping.
Just like how the US abducted people in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Your example is also kidnapping but even excluding that bit of nuance the key word is “in” they never entered territorial waters and thus were never “in” Israel or Palestine. Israel can declare 1500mi of the coast of Somalia an exclusion zone then kidnap people there and that would make just as much sense in a legal view.
Doesn’t Israel delegate 200 miles off the coast as a no go zone?
Something like that but the important thing is Israel is not claiming they entered the exclusion zone and similarly they even if they did the result is supposed to be being forcibly turned away not kidnapping and property theft.
The flotilla was told several times to turn around or be detained. They decided to not turn around and continued on their intended course to breach the naval blockade.
According to international maritime law Israel can intercept and detain before they enter.
Notice you never said they did breach the blockade which btw by international law they have to be given time and allowed to leave even if they enter without permission which they didn’t do nor is Israel claiming they did.
Intercept and detain yes, board, seizur, deport and treat as their own… No because duh.
Just like police can arrest you before you commit a crime, if you loudly and repeatedly proclaim the intention to commit it.
They were asked repeatedly to change course and refused.
Boarding, capturing the ship, confiscating cargo, and holding crew is exactly what international maritime law says is legal and customary in such situations like a blockade.
Gaza is under a declared blockade, Maritime Law (the oldest of international law) allows detaining any ship bound for a blockaded port. It’s really cut and dry, they very publicly declared they were bound for a blockaded port. It’s not like Israel boarded a ship that just happened to be in the area, these freedom flotilla yahoos very publicly declared they were bound for Gaza, which under Maritime Law permits Israel to board it.
International law is an agreement between nations and doesn’t actually restrict nations from doing things that will hurt your feelings. You’re going down the sovcit path when you pretend international law is whatever you want it to be.
they very publicly declared they were bound for a blockaded port.
Not illegal.
which under Maritime Law permits Israel to board it.
Not detain and seize, maritime law is very specific in that a blockade cannot block aid unreasonably. A super famous ship you’ve searched that’s filled solely with celebrities and aid is something you shouldn’t turn away so long as they accept security arrangements like boarding and searching. This isn’t star wars nor are they the trade union and total blockades like your implying are very illegal as defined by the law you’re sourcing.
Israel offers the option to deliver aid through its ports (Ashdod) and then land route. Exactly the place where the flotilla was brought to and their aid then continued on land by truck to Gaza.
Israel extends an empty gesture they have no intention of actually doing hence all the aid not coming in. Similarly even in a blockade aid is specifically allowed or the blockade is illegal, seizing an aid ship and deporting is crew is strong evidence it’s an illegal blockade which is why they allowed all this to happen. It’s gotta get to court somehow and doing this to white celebrities is bound to get more traction then some other group attempting the same.
The amount of aid getting into Gaza is constantly increasing and at more than 50 trucks per day. The whole supposed aid flotilla didn’t even bring a full truck of aid. It’s a political stunt, not about actually delivering aid effectively.
Maritime Law (the oldest of international law)
Source?
freedom flotilla yahoos […] doing things that will hurt your feelings. […] sovcit […] pretend
Ew.
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Outside the blockade area and on the high seas,34 belligerents relied on the practice of "visit and search"3s to stop vessels suspected of carrying “con-traband” to the enemy.36 A belligerent warship sailing on the high seas had the right to visit and search all merchant vessels. Merchants found carrying enemy contraband were captured and escorted to the belligerent’s nearest home port. The belligerent nation’s prize court then determined the fate of the captured ship and cargo.37 In cases where merchants resisted either capture or visit and search, the blockading force was entitled to pursue and, if neces-sary, damage or destroy the vessel to force the ship to submit.
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belligerents today continue to enforce blockades from long distance or through blockade zones. They do so because of three twentieth-century developments in maritime warfare: first, the growing importance to belligerents of conducting economic warfare in conjunction with armed con-flict;s3 second, the introduction of a large array of new weapons to the maritime battlefield; and third, the proliferation of modern weapons to less powerful nations incapable of conducting traditional blockade. In combination, these three developments have forced states to replace traditional blockade form with long-distance blockade or blockade zones.
A. The first quoted section is providing past practice not current.
B. They weren’t suspected of carrying contraband, they were boarded and none was found and yet their property was seized and they were then trafficked through multiple countries against their will.
B². Point to where it says they could seize a ship and take it as prize that was not caught with contraband.
C. Your second quoted section provides no relevant reason to capture a neutral humanitarian ship.
It’s not like Israel boarded a ship that just happened to be in the area,
That’s exactly what happened, blockade borders have to be announced and ships have to be allowed time to leave the area. Israel left their blockade and kidnapped people aboard a ship they did not allow to leave an area they weren’t in.
these freedom flotilla yahoos very publicly declared they were bound for Gaza, which under Maritime Law permits Israel to board it.
Once they breach the blockade yes arguably though with only aid that gets more complex. Essentially aid entry is allowed so long as you agree to security arrangements that are both reasonable and lawful. That could mean Israel could board and search, or doesn’t mean they can blockade all aid to starve a population which is specifically and in multiple very very illegal.
https://casebook.icrc.org/a_to_z/glossary/blockade
Their sources section is awash with good relevant information and specifically findings on the last Israeli famous Israeli blockade and subsequent boarding (and death of iirc 9) which was found to be a legal blockade so long as the purpose was not starvation and aid could enter with security arrangements.
An operation involving naval and air forces by which a belligerent completely prevents movement by sea from or to a port or coast belonging to or occupied by an enemy belligerent. To be mandatory, that is, for third States to be obliged to respect it, the blockade must be effective. This means that it must be maintained by a force sufficient to prevent all access to the enemy coast.
So… according to the link you’ve provided Israel is actually required to board the ship or they can no longer prevent shipments of weapons coming from Iran?
Essentially aid entry is allowed so long as you agree to security arrangements that are both reasonable and lawful.
Has there been any indication these flotilla activists attempted to make such security arrangements with Israel?
Correct to an extent, the accepted meaning is that they must agree to security measures to pass through. It is not and never has been a way to willfully prevent aid and aide staff into combat zones.
They weren’t in a blockaded zone as far as I’m aware, Israel only says they were approaching and providing intented destination as you must when attempting to pass through a blockade.
Even ignoring that they must be allowed to leave even if they enter the blockaded area without permission, it isn’t a seize your property and imprison your crew for being in the general area openly providing intent kinda thing.
Israel has told the flotilla repeatedly they can deliver the aid through the proper channels and the port of Ashdod.
The small amount of captured aid from the freedom flotilla is being delivered to Gaza by Israel at the moment.
Adalah, an Israel-based non-governmental legal organization that is representing some of the activists, said that those who remain are being held in Givon Prison in Ramleh, central Israel.
So grab the passengers of a boat in international wares and jail them in Israel. 😒
In a statement to CNN, Israel said that it “is preventing the entry of all vessels into the Gaza Strip, in accordance with international law.”
Is there a charitable interpretation that could make this statement true?
They declared war, they are allowed to enct vlockades according to international law.
International law doesn’t permit the blockading of humanitarian aid. Israel was allowed to board and inspect the vessel, but not block it from entry.
Humanitarian aid is getting in through land borders into Gaza.
Gaza doesn’t have a port suitable for delivering large amounts of goods in the first place. Aid delivery has to go through the proper channels.
International law doesn’t put up any of those restrictions. As an illegal occupying force Israel is not allowed to dictate what the “proper” channels are.
Of course the occupying power can and has to do this according to international humanitarian law.
Don’t you mean the illegal channel controlled by thr occupying force
Enact blockades in international waters?
Yes, that’s how blockades work. https://openyls.law.yale.edu/bitstream/handle/20.500.13051/8684/43_101YaleLJ893_1991_1992_.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y
Is there something specific in there you wanted to reference?
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Outside the blockade area and on the high seas,34 belligerents relied on the practice of "visit and search"3s to stop vessels suspected of carrying “con-traband” to the enemy.36 A belligerent warship sailing on the high seas had the right to visit and search all merchant vessels. Merchants found carrying enemy contraband were captured and escorted to the belligerent’s nearest home port. The belligerent nation’s prize court then determined the fate of the captured ship and cargo.37 In cases where merchants resisted either capture or visit and search, the blockading force was entitled to pursue and, if neces-sary, damage or destroy the vessel to force the ship to submit.
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belligerents today continue to enforce blockades from long distance or through blockade zones. They do so because of three twentieth-century developments in maritime warfare: first, the growing importance to belligerents of conducting economic warfare in conjunction with armed con-flict;s3 second, the introduction of a large array of new weapons to the maritime battlefield; and third, the proliferation of modern weapons to less powerful nations incapable of conducting traditional blockade. In combination, these three developments have forced states to replace traditional blockade form with long-distance blockade or blockade zones.
Is there a charitable interpretation that could make this statement true?
Since Gaza is an open air prison under the control of Israel and not recognized as an independent state we can blockade it all we want.
Best I got.
Really hard to justify genocide.
Palestine is not a recognized country in most of the western world, which in itself is a travesty, but you can probably infer a lot of bs from that.
Like claiming a certain religious group has no human rights bc they’re not recognized as humans.
Palestine is not a recognized country in most of the western world, which in itself is a travesty, but you can probably infer a lot of bs from that.
That’s not even true.
As of March 2025, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 147 of the 193 member states of the United Nations, or just over 75% of all UN members. It has been a non-member observer state of the United Nations General Assembly since November 2012.
75% of the world recognizes Palestine as a sovereign state.
To be fair, they specified “western world”. If you look at the map of countries that recognize Palestine, it’s pretty glaring that a good chunk of Europe, Canada/US, and Australia/NZ don’t officially recognize it.
Why does it even matter if it’s the west or other countries. Foes western countries have more legitimacy?
Uncommonly fast for Israel.
They did it for PR. The other who refused to sign paper that will make them look like they entered israel legally are still abducted in jail
