• Placebonickname@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    I 2nd this. If you stop me or my wife the first thing I need to see if a badge, id, and warrant. Not one or the other. 2out of three at least.

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      2 days ago

      This is exactly where the 2nd amendment and the Blue Lives Matter movements collide. If both civilians and police have the legal right to arm and defend themselves with lethal force, and neither has a responsibility to show restraint or demonstrate cause, then you have created a situation where an innocent civilian and a good cop could kill each other in self defense and neither would have done anything wrong.

      Edit: I’m not going to respond to each comment saying there are no good cops. My point is that the cop does not have to be a bad cop for the civilian to have reasonable fear for their life, nor does the civilian need to be a criminal for the cop to have a reasonable fear for their life. Both are legally justified in killing the other person, and both are legally entitled to own a weapon capable of killing the other. That’s not a society, that’s a war. Ir we didn’t already have a police force, and you described their function in their current state to a peaceful society, they would think you were mad.

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          2 days ago

          It makes sense if you remember that conservativism doesn’t actually exist, and all people claiming to be conservatives are just narcissists who pick and choose what they care about in any given situation.

          • nickwitha_k (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
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            2 days ago

            Eh. Conservatism does exist but, it’s never been what it’s claimed to be. It’s all about establishing and enforcing hierarchical power structures in society by any means necessary. Almost universally, the adherents desire to have power over others, so, even if they’re not at the top, they get to be cruel towards their “lessers” and that makes them feel better about themselves. Through the lens of their philosophy, things like hypocrisy are privileges of those higher in the hierarchy with which to taunt their “lessers”.

            Additionally, they do not believe in objective reality but, subjective reality that bends to their will (when it doesn’t, they deny the delta and pretend that it does). This applies to morality as well; moral correctness is relative to one’s place in the hierarchy, not their actions (ie supporting a convicted felon, rapist and pedophile is ok because he’s rich and supports hierarchy).

            The reason, I think, that the belief system has been able to stick around so long (beyond the propaganda) is that its followers do gain some mental health benefits. They are able to reduce their cognitive load through deference to their rulers and reduce potential for anxiety and depression by avoiding self-reflection and embracing the Just World Fallacy.

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              Isn’t narcissism a likely root cause behind needing to have lessers to dominate, and to have hierarchical structures throughout society? If you know in your heart that you are a higher tier of human being than <random “other”>, or even if you are just desperate to prove to yourself and others that it’s true, then the correct society must obviously reflect that hierarchy of human worth.