This is a distraction from the Epstein files.
are we still talking about jeffery Epstein?
the financier?
Which in turn was just a distraction from… Shit… I can’t even remember.
Nah, that would be true if this shit never happened and suddenly came up due to the Epstein files. I agree that Trump loves distractions of the fact that he is a child rapist but this shit happens every day, this is Wednesday afternoon news of no value.
Yeah but this is rage bait. The child rapist is still President.
People, we can not waste time focusing on the fact that President of the United States, Donald Trump, was best friends with the world’s most notorious pedophile, Jeffery Epstiens, for 15 plus year and is currently trying to cover up the fact that he was most sertently a client if one looks at even the most broad meaning of “wonderful secrets”.
We must focus on the more important things like… checks notes
Bringing back real sugar in Coke
Hillary Clinton’s Emails despite Trum admins actually sharing OPSEC details with a reporter
You know the important stuff of the things that really matter to the people
Is this the new copypasta? No more Hector, LA speed check, or Mankind?
*certainly
Will this distract my base from Epstein?
They should offer to rename themselves the Washington Epstein Files
Honestly, that’s a fucking brilliant idea. That’ll make him avoid that shit like the plague.
Have John Oliver make a giant dancing folder mascot name The Wonderful Secret.
Expect more Jazz Hands like that every day for as long as the Epstein scandal is of interest.
Will this distract my base from Epstein?
In fact, it will. Advantage: demented rapist
There goes Orange Chicken Little again, trying to pop ninja smoke in light of the Epstein files. God dammit who fucking cares about a football team’s name. You can name them the Washington Red Nutsacks and it still wouldn’t affect their performance. Quit fucking getting distracted!
I will second this motion of changing the name from Washington Commanders to Washington Epsteins.
I never stopped calling it the gulf of mexico
Edit: typo
Wrong.
yeah.
If I hear some one use the other term, my plan is to confront them about using “pedo” language. If they insist, I’ll shift to questioning their support for a pedo.
There is a cognitive dissonance that’s been set up where their love and obedience to Trump is tied in with an alleged “hate” of ‘pedos’. I mean it’s obviously bullshit but you can skewer someone who can’t disambiguate the two using this approach and create a situation in their mind they can’t handle.
Oh, I like this. A lot.
See you on the cattle cars
Better a victim than an accomplice
Our great Indian people, in massive numbers, want this to happen.
Seems to me they’re more into Cricket, but what do I know?
… oh, he means the other Indians. Huh.
The other Indians are also probably more interested in Cricket than this.
We play stickball. It’s what lacrosse is based on.
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Indians are far more concerned with the speed of the pitch; and spin v pace…
I’m still confused because it seemed like a few years ago they wanted to be called Indians but for years everyone was being corrected to call them Native Americans. Can I just call them by their tribe name or is this an insult now too?
It’s not too confusing. Call a person by what they want to be called. I think it’s more respectful to call them native Americans.
I’d also say in this case the brand name Indians, Chiefs, and any other should be handed over to the tribes, and then licensed out however they see fit.
I also think they should have 2 senators, a US rep and an electoral college vote.
Ah, but generic names like “Indians” and “Chiefs” dont really belong to one tribe, do they? We do have teams that are named after tribes specifically, like the Blackhawks. (Although Wikipedia says the team was named after an army regiment, which was named after the tribe.) And if you get into college sports, you have a lot more.
People may find those less objectionable because there is a tribe or a group of people who the team can say they represent, and get some culturally appropriate context to the team name. But calling a team “Indians” seems analogous to calling a team the “Asians” or the “Europeans”.
The systemic oppression of the native population also has something to do with it. Nobody complains about the Padres and their Friar logo, or the handsomely Nordic logo for the Vikings. But that could be because they didn’t get treated the same way.
While I agree that there are details that would need to be worked out, it’s not as impossible as you’re making it sound.
I’m sure the existing tribes have some form of leadership. Put them in a room together and have them work it out.
I disagree that others groups need to be addressed at the same time. Let’s focus on fixing one issue on its own instead of trying to fix every issue at once. That’s scope creep, and it’s never a good thing.
Lastly, your example of teams being named “Asians” or “Europeans” is not the same, else we would have those names.
My understanding is Native is generally fine, many have reclaimed “Indian” for themselves but results may vary. If you do know a person’s affiliation then that’s obviously fine too.
Its old timers might be the ones that like that. Not me.
That’s fair. What would be your advice?
Not say something racist? I mean figure black-skins or the New York White Trash would kind of be fucked up. Although, the Yankees still suck.
natives have their own names for themselves
you won’t please everyone regardless
best you can do is try to be respctful
Let’s be realistic. This is literally just another distraction to get people to pay attention to anything but the Epstein files.
But the name change controversy is not black-and-white. There are native americans, including members of the family of the man who inspired the Redskins’ logo, who want the logo back and do not consider the name offensive. There are large groups of Native Americans that fall on both sides of the issue, each with valid points.
And there’s also the fact that the name “Commanders” just sucks. I don’t care what the context is. It just sounds awful. First, it’s a name that can be shortened to “Commies”, the team color is dark red, and their home is Washington, DC. Who the fuck thought this was a good idea in the first place? I’d rather them take back the name of the old DC baseball team (The Senators) before “Commanders”.
That article doesn’t say what you think it says. The family of the man pictured in the logo wanted to keep it because it was it of the most widely seen images of a Native American. The family themselves don’t seem to care about the name much. Other groups do though.
I was never a big fan about the wholesale elimination of native-inspired team names, because I always felt the iconography was more offensive. There could have been tasteful ways for Cleveland to keep the “Indians” name, but it was clear years ago that Chief Wahoo had to go. Same for Chief Nokahoma (who I think the Braves retired in rhe 80s), and every team with a Tomohawk in their logo.
The Redskins were always a different case. The logo wasn’t quite so offensive, but try naming a team the Spics, Honkeys, or Japs and see how people like that. The name had to go. They could have named the team after the Blackfeet tribe, somehow, and kept the logo. But once they abandoned native names, the logo had to go.
It’s too bad the Washington Generals was already taken, that would have been awesome. In retrospect, they should have kept Washington Football Team…
Right. You’re illustrating my other point for me. The issue isn’t black-and-white, and there are those with valid points on both sides of the issue. Yours is a good illustration of the other side.
My opinion? I’m a white guy. My opinion should be irrelevant. Hold a vote on native american tribal lands. Let the majority speak.
(EDIT: Side note, the New York Giants was the name of both a professional baseball and football team for around 30 years or so. Outside of potential trademark issues, having teams from two different sports sharing the same name isn’t without precedent.)
No, you can hem and haw about the other team names. But “Redskins” was always offensive, unless you were taking about potatoes.
It was always offensive to you. And it is offensive to many Native Americans. But not all of them. That’s the point I’m trying to make. The Washington Post reported that as many as 90% of Native Americans aren’t offended by the name at all, though another poll a few years later claims that it’s closer to a 50/50 split. You have the right to be offended by the name, but your opinion does not reflect large chunks of the Native American population.
Again, I think the best way to solve the problem is to ask them. Get tribal leaders from across the country. Hold a vote. Whatever. Ask them. “What name can we give this football team that would honor our country’s Native Americans?”. I don’t know what that answer is. Maybe there isn’t a good one. I don’t know. Maybe the solution is to have a more generic name for the team itself, but keep the logo. But at the end, I believe in two things: (1) Native Americans should have much more of a say in the issue, and (2) Please, please, anything but Commanders. My god, that name is awful.
I preferred when they were called Washington Football Team
Lets go, return it back to the Washington Football Team
I frfr loved this name and logo and everything.
The degree of overreach is astounding.
RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES.
It’s time for the GOP to change its name to the Nazi Party out of respect for their historical fascist predecessors
Child rapist grasps for distraction from his role in a sex trafficking ring.
i’ll have to agree they need to return to their old name. Washington Football Team was great, they should return to that
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Every day that you think you couldn’t be more embarrassed is a lie.
