The Minnesota governor said that the path to tyranny “is littered with people telling you you’re overreacting”

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz was testifying before Congress about his state’s handling of immigration when he learned Sen. Alex Padilla, D-Calif., was forcibly removed from a Department of Homeland Security news conference Thursday.

The irony, he told the attendees of the Center for American Progress’ “Listening to Lead” event Friday, was in lawmakers grilling him and his colleagues, Govs. Kathy Hochul, D-N.Y. and JB Pritzker, D-Ill., over the “incredible crime of treating people like human beings” as FBI agents tackled a sitting senator to the ground and handcuffed him in Los Angeles.

“I am not prone to hyperbole. I am prone to, like, popping off a little bit. I know that,” Walz said, prefacing his argument that Americans are living in a “dangerous” time. “I believed all along we were marching towards authoritarianism, and people were telling me in December, ‘You know, you’re overreacting.’ And I said, “The road to authoritarianism is littered with people telling you you’re overreacting.”

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    Might be the time for Minnesota to join Canada, Tim. Think big.

    If you want to end politically-motivated gun violence becoming normalized, time to leave the USA and ban guns not used for hunting or within shooting ranges.

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    people were telling me in December, ‘You know, you’re overreacting.’

    One day after saying this, the former speaker of the Minnesota house is gunned down by a pro-Trump extremist.

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      I was chastised by a random person at my local protest for joining in a chant of “Fuck Donald Trump”.

      Many of these people are still so attached to the idea of civility politics that they don’t even want anyone to curse.

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          My dude if y’all allow Trump to run again or the DNC to survive you frankly don’t deserve democracy. You’re smackdab in the middle of a revolution so don’t fucking compromise in advance with the idiots who aren’t even lifting a finger to help you. You run the show now, so act like it.

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            About 36% of eligible votes sat it out last time, a not so insignificant voted based on a single topic… “Kamala isn’t vocal enough in supporting Palestine” was a big one.

            Remember folks, every vote counts. We did this to ourselves.

            I’ve said it before elsewhere but it needs to be heard…

            It’s just wild to me continually seeing posts not understanding how this all works, and how it would play out. It’s like the people who thought China paid the tariffs…

            The house is almost tied. That’s who passes bills, handles impeachments, some of the most powerful committees are, and who impeaches Presidents…

            218 Republicans, 213 Democrats.

            Let’s see, take New York for example.

            26 representatives total, 19 Democrat and 7 Republican.

            5 of those were within 2 points last time their seat was up.

            People who think that New York is blue, their vote doesn’t matter, skips the votes for the House and Senate and end up losing a Blue house seat but later complain that nothing changes are literally the fucking problem.

            Every. Fucking. State. Is. Like. This.

            Apathetic morons who don’t realize that the president is only held accountable by the other branch of government then wave their hands around when they did jack shit to help put people in place to, are the fucking problem.

            District 3 of California was lost by 24,000 votes. District 22 was lost by 3,000.

            Those two seats in the house, along with the close ones in New York, Jersey, Michigan, Illinois, Washington, hell every state… Are what makes the House of Representatives or breaks it.

            So, if you think that your vote for president doesn’t matter, so you skip voting and let these other seats slip, yes, you’re a fucking moron who can’t grasp basic concepts of government that are taught in 4th grade.

            And don’t get me started on the State House/Senates, how they define voting laws and voting zones and engage in gerrymandering.

            Every fucking vote counts.

            And until the country realizes it, and starts acting on it, we’ll keep getting the shit we deserve.

            House needs a simple majority, and two thirds of the Senate.

            Democrats would need ~18 seats.

            First, that won’t happen in 2026.

            Even the best cases make it hard to win enough by 2028. Which is why impeachment is just not something we can hold out for.

            Gerrymandering is part of why this is a problem, which is done at the local level, and again why every vote counts.

            How could it play out? Assuming some absurdly weird upside down world just opposite of what we’re living in, this is the only path just looking at the numbers…

            Again, Democrats would need to gain 18 net seats. Seats Potentially in Play (Republican Incumbents): This requires looking at seats up in upcoming cycles.

            • Class 1 Seats (Up in 2026):
              • Highly Competitive Targets: These would be the first priority. States where Democrats have won statewide recently or that lean only slightly Republican. Examples based on recent political history might include:
                • North Carolina (Budd-R)
                • Alaska (Sullivan-R) - Unique dynamics with ranked-choice voting.
              • Stretch Targets: States that are more Republican but could potentially flip under exceptionally favorable conditions (like the hypothetical turnout).
                • Iowa (Ernst-R)
                • Montana (Daines-R) - Depends heavily on candidate matchups.
                • Kentucky (McConnell-R’s seat - potential retirement changes dynamics)
                • Kansas (Marshall-R)
                • South Carolina (Graham-R)
              • Very Difficult Targets: Solidly Republican states requiring overwhelming Democratic turnout and significant shifts among other voters.
                • Texas (Cornyn-R)
                • Mississippi (Wicker-R)
                • Alabama (Tuberville-R)
                • West Virginia (Capito-R)
                • Oklahoma (Mullin-R - Special election winner)
                • Wyoming (Lummis-R)
                • Idaho (Risch-R)
                • Arkansas (Cotton-R)
                • Nebraska (Ricketts-R)
                • South Dakota (Rounds-R)
                • Louisiana (Cassidy-R) - Jungle primary system.
            • Class 2 Seats (Up in 2028): (Looking further ahead)
              • Highly Competitive Targets:
                • Maine (Collins-R) - Often competitive, depends on matchup.
                • Georgia (Perdue/Ossoff dynamic showed competitiveness, depends who holds it after '26 potentially) - Assuming GOP holds a seat here.
              • Stretch Targets:
                • Michigan (Peters-D currently, but listing potential GOP flips back if one happened hypothetically before 2028) - Generally leans D, but could be contested.
                • New Hampshire (Shaheen-D currently) - Generally leans D, but listing potential GOP flips back.
              • Very Difficult Targets: (Many solidly Republican states)
                • Tennessee (Hagerty-R)
                • Alaska (Murkowski-R historically, depends on dynamics)
                • North Carolina (Tillis-R)
                • Iowa (Grassley-R seat potentially)
                • Texas (Cruz-R)
                • Kentucky (Paul-R)
                • And many others similar to the 2026 list (SC, AL, MS, WY, ID, NE, SD, KS, WV, OK).

            It’s going to take an absolutely historic level of pain to both drive enough people to vote MAGA out to make this change though.

            The amount that’s being excused, sanewashed, and just drowned out with other absurdities…

            We’re on all on this shit ride until some new wildcard comes into play.

            No impeachment, no Supreme Court, no guardrail is going to change that.

            Something new and unaccounted for is the only feasible catalyst.

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              “Kamala isn’t vocal enough in supporting Palestine” was a big one.

              No. It was “Kamala actively supports Israel”. If Democrats are going to continue trying to rewrite history to deny their role in genocide, they deserve Trump for a dozen terms

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          …Because even now, before the primary we are locked into Waltz or trump?, is that right, smart guy?

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              I draw the line at genocide. I dont vote for anyone who does it or supports it. So that will limit my choices in participating, voting, or donating. I dont want to tell other people what to do, but if everyone adopted this rule we wouldn’t be in this mess and the dems would have run someone better because they’d know they couldnt win otherwise. But they’ll keep trying to shove a zionist down our throats because we let them.

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              We make more choices than we think we do. They gather polling data on what we will support and how scared we are, and they act on it.

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      I’d love to see him run, and I hope he gets a meaningful debate in before the DNC stacks the deck for Newsom

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          No, we should strive for a candidate who is against all genocide. Let’s not compromise in advance.

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              What a sad question when you remove the snark from it.

              Like honestly, the reality behind that is just sad.

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              You have a myopia that makes you incapable of looking past a single election. It is that myopia that has gotten us to this point here. Cycle after cycle of blind, zero-thought “blue no matter who” has made the democratic power-brokers completely disconnected from the base. You’re going to vote for them no matter what, so your opinions, thoughts, and desires are absolutely irrelevant. You do not matter to the political process at all.

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          If they don’t care about brown people in the Middle East, they don’t care about you. Y’all’s inability to understand this got you Trump, so don’t repeat that mistake. Fascism abroad tends to be the preamble to fascism at home.

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              I struggle to see how proto-fascism now devolving into better-prepared fascism four years later would’ve been better than fascism now. And don’t give me the “it gives us time to resist” spiel because we both know that’s not how that ever worked; time to prepare only benefits the far right.

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                  No, stop following the neoliberals while they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I still remember the “progressive” reaction to Uncommitted and to calls for Biden to step down. If you’re not willing to coerce the DNC neoliberals into doing what you want, you’ll always be stuck doing what they want. And do you know what they want? Proto-fascism with rainbows and glitter.

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              We got Trump because people like you thought supporting genocide was more important than winning the election

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                  You lot considered continuing to operate the world’s largest death camp to be more important than stopping Trump.

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    Tim Walz has strongly worded his disdain for strongly worded letters.

    AOC and Bernie were pouring sweat and blood into anti-Oligarchy tour while Tim did exactly what? What did he lay out as a functional plan? More messaging? So more “strongly worded letters”? Situation calls for direct action.

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      I’m not a Minnesota resident, but it sure looks like he’s taking direct and local action as the governor of Minnesota. The guy seems to have done a lot of good work for his constituents. As a governor, that’s really the most effective action he can take right now.

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        In the past, yes he has shown some spine for action but in today’s environment having him and Harris “invisible” until now projects a very weak position. The only Democrats that remained active and visible and “in your face” were AOC and Bernie. Rest of them seem to have evaporated. I’d love to be proved wrong. So, how many public gatherings did he address and outlined strategy for applying pressure on current Federal administration? How many times did he stand up and mobilized others to stand up to present onslaught of lawlessness streaming from DC? I get it, he’s Mi governor, but he also aimed for VP chair so one would expect him to act at “above state” level.

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      AOC and Bernie poured sweat and blood into strongly worded admonishments.

      I guess you want to see our elected Representatives seizing and holding territory with guns and grenades in order to be satisfied.

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        Actually? I’d love to see Bernie Sanders just show up full Rambo style, guns blazing, totally losing his shit.

        But also, I’ve abandoned the concept that this country will ever run smoothly, peacefully, and without corruption.

        So at this point I’m ok with letting the country burn that was founded on slavery and racism, but hasn’t learned anything since.

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            And people around me think less of me for not being patriotic.

            America is my home, and it’s also a dumpster fire. Always has been.

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              I want to ask, in earnest, if you mean you’re not nationalist? Patriot gets thrown around a lot these days, but what most people really mean is nationalism. I love my country, but I hate what it’s become. I hate the people in power who are ruining this great country. I hate the conservatives who are trashing everything with their racism and toxicity. I hate the liberals who are just as bad as conservatives because neither side can do the right thing (granted, the left are slightly better than the right).

              And no, this is not a “bOTh SiDeS” issue. So you can burn that straw man down right now.

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                  This is part of the problem! There are so many different (and stupid) words to describe one side of a political party. We should make a new one called the Not Assholes party that encompasses those of us who just want a working democracy that doesn’t favor aristocracy, oligarchy, or any other non democratic -cracy/-archy.

                  Or whatever; I really don’t know. I’m stupid and this shit is way too over complicated for my stupid brain to comprehend. 😩

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        AOC and Bernie were directly interacting with people all this time explaining and making them ready: AKA acting; Walz was largely absent all this time.

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        direct action does not equal guns and grenades. Please educate yourself on what direct action really means.

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      AOC and Bernie spent the last few months telling people to vote and call their representatives; they can’t be much better than Walz.

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    agreed, now how about supporting genocide, is the time for that over Waltz?
    Hrm?
    Well?
    All quiet all of a sudden eh. Put up or shut up, Waltz. You are a political whore or you’re not. Are you following Biden’s example here or not.

    Its people like Waltz who lost us the last election. You cant run a pro-genocide campaign from the left and expect to win.

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      Hrm?
      Well?
      All quiet all of a sudden eh.

      Are you talking to an imaginary friend, cause we cannot hear him.

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        Maybe you can stick to your Australia politics and get that sorted, eh? You lot have more than enough of your own mess, isn’t that right? But thanks for taking the time to carry water for the genocide, and commenting on politics in another country.

        And I specified ‘Waltz’ in the line before you started copying. So you’re just fabricating some situation to pretend to be correct, arent you.

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          Maybe you can stick to your Australia politics and get that sorted, eh? You lot have more than enough of your own mess, isn’t that right?

          Aussie politics are in amazing shape atm, the right lost harder than it ever has in our entire history, but nice try. Did you have fun looking up my profile?

          But thanks for taking the time to carry water for the genocide, and commenting on politics in another country.

          Like Americans have kept their noses out of other countries politics before. Rules for thee but not for me right?

          And I specified ‘Waltz’ in the line before you started copying. So why are you asking who its for?

          You are talking like he is going to reply to you, when he isn’t. The only conclusion I could make is your talking to your imaginary friend instead.

          Clearly you could gain by working on your English language skills if you’re posting on an english language forum and getting it wrong

          Lol, the amount of grammatical & spelling mistakes you’re making and you’re attacking my English. That American education system is doing you plenty of favours.

          mate?

          No.

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                And The Band Played Waltzing Mathilda comes to mind for me…. The Aussies already learned the lesson Americans are going to have to learn very soon.

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            Aussie politics are in amazing shape atm, the right lost harder than it ever has in our entire history, but nice try.

            The Australian government is supporting genocide.