Ugh. Looking at the comment sections in posts about religious authoritarians, is about as insufferable as the comment sections in posts asking people to reduce their animal consumption.
i’m waiting for this to backfire on him as muslims openly pray in their workplace at the designated times
Hail Hydra :)
Time to start turning my coworkers into atheists.
All jokes aside, this ends when we ban orginized religion.
Nobody should be publicly religious. Do it in your own home.
Keep it between you and god, where it belongs.
I haven’t worked in an office since before the pandemic, but back when I did I had super religious republican guy who sat to my left. On his left there was another lefty atheist like myself. 3 years later we had him voting for Biden and doubting his entire faith.
So your jokes weren’t aside. “I only want people to be publicly atheist and nothing else.”
Asking people to be sane and use some critical thinking in the face of proselytizing woo woo nonsense and rubbish is a reasonable thing to do.
Personally I wish we could all be publicly nothig. Not religious, not atheist. Let’s not talk about it all, at all.
I don’t think we should hire any Catholics because they believe eat humans and drinking their blood is legitimately okay. The people who believe God decides anything in day to day life should all be fired for not being able to accept scientific theory, which is the same scientific theory that drives the economy in which this company runs. I mean come on they are clearly braindead drones who believe anything they are told and have proven they can’t innovate anything new that could help us. Also all Muslims are terrorists, they’ve been proving it on the news every night for decades, we shouldn’t hire them either.
In most companies they would just get rid of you for talking about the news / politics. If you fire someone for preaching their religion the company can be sued for illegally terminating an employee do to their religious beliefs. It’s not a good idea.
Either you’re a troll or a religious zealot.
I don’t think companies should get rid of people for talking about news and politics in a respectful manner
I find you calling me a religious zealot to be hindering my right to tell you why you’re going to hell for the next 8 hours as is my given right now. In fact I think HR may find it pertinent to know you were calling people religious zealots for practicing their legal rights at work.
…it isn’t trolling, it was the discussion as to why this is a bad idea.
You called Muslims zealots, and Christians cannibals and stupid.
Smells like an Atheist religious zealot to me.
No I called Catholics cannibals, which they believe they are. The Eucharist being the actual transformation into the body and blood of Christ is one of the main differences between Catholics and some protestant denominations that split off. Methodists for instance, do not. Lutheran’s believe it is a physical transformation and not just a spiritual ceramony one either.
Thereby, they intentionally eat a person’s flesh and blood every Sunday, or rather they try to.
Also I never called Muslims Zealots, I called them terrorists, because that’s what I learned from the news. Which was obvious satire… Zealots are obsessive, not necessarily terrorists. A good example of zealots would be the Jesuits.
(Though one could argue Jesuits were church sanctioned terrorists… But that’s besides the point)
As an atheist, faith should be warmly invited, and traditions should be celebrated. You don’t have to have anything to do with it. You can assert yourself without assuming you know what people think and classifying their worship. And, on another note: these are human tales. You think books that took generations to compile don’t have a few nuggets of hard earned wisdom? Do you read Frankenstein and dismiss it because it’s ludicrous?
hard disagree. we should allow them, but we definitely shouldn’t be inviting and celebrating them. All religion does is undermine society and prop up the rich and powerful.
religion can get fucked.
You’re simply wrong. That is not all that religion does. You and I have both seen, in person, the power of faith. This hard-line science approach is toxic. As somebody who has been entrenched in theoretical physics for 15 years and is currently running my own relativistic model, I can tell you with confidence that these physicists love selling half-truths and relying on rote memorization. Let alone interference from intelligence agencies. The scientists they shove in your face are not the ones from the Manhatten Project. They are incrementalists trained to mind their calculations and suppress dissent. This is a simple, obvious fact of a post-mutual destruction age.
Manhatten Project
Are you from the Fringe parallel universe?
My pointing to the project was a demonstration of what we can do when we’re not in the middle of active suppression.
fuck off
Yeah, like that. Psychological warfare is a bitch, huh?
I would agree with you if the Christians supporting Republicans weren’t literally trying to start the apocalypse.
Thank you. I identified the parts of the machine, from the military-industrial-intelligence complex to the Epstein honeypot operation. This confirms my final hypothesis: The motivation is theological. An elite death/apocalypse cult. I suspected it because of the nature of the honeypot operation. Could have been gambling or personal blackmail. No. The desecration of innocence was a ritual, and the island, a temple. Revealing the final inner circle. The high priests of a cult. You can find their rituals being portrayed as frat-like behavior.
Banning religion has been tried, It doesn’t work. Banning the awful things that religion makes people do is a better option.
Authoritarianism comes in many forms. Didn’t any of you read 1984? I mean, don’t waste your time - there’s way better materials to learn from, but Thought Police, anyone?
There are multiple countries who have already banned orginized religion.
It is the next step of human society.
Examples? I’d like to see how it’s going.
North Korea is basically the only one I could find.
And they execute religious followers… Among other things.
They just replaced traditional religions with worshiping Glorious Leader.
True ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Learn to google things
So you’re full of shit, got it.
If you can’t learn to copy/paste into a sewrch engine then you are going to keep failing to know things for a long time.
I don’t fucking care enough to spoon feed you, you’re an adult act like it.
Do you have a minute to talk about our lord and savior Baphomet?
To date there is zero evidence for interaction between material nature and the spirit. And not for want of looking, as scientists and clergymen alike have been searching for centuries now, anomalous exceptions are extremely rare. Even the standard model of particle physics is transparent to any spiritual factor.
So why should we look at it? Because the human mind, to perceive and process sensory stimulus into situation awareness, to remember, to read and speak and understand facial expression, to compute, and to engage in reason — for all these capacities — it requires power.
While LLM generative systems power demand is calling for the re-commissioning of nuclear power plants, the human brain eats up (according to anatomists) about 20% of our caloric intake, when we are awake, at rest. Less when we’re at full run, more when we’re computing the integral of the acceleration of rocket thrust as fuel is spent, or landing an airliner by yoke.
But it means, if we have a soul, and that soul remembers its sins, can reason why such behaviors were sinful; if that soul can feel the fires of Hell, this processing takes energy, and an energy source. That means interaction between the physical and spirit, which means there should be something to detect. There should even be side channels.
No evidence of energy exchange, no side channel heat or sound, it strongly (not absolutely) implies there’s no spirit to detect. Or if there is, it might be so delicate that interference from natural phenomena (lightning strikes and CME emps come to mind) would shatter it.
The exception is the simulated-universe hypothesis: If the universe is a simulation in a computer program (or Azathoth’s dream; Ia! 🦑🌊🌌) then all our recorded observations are of simulated events, and souls can simply be simulated. But some of us object to the notion we’re an object in a program or a figment in a dream.
If there’s no detectable energy powering our souls, then they could be in the core of the sun and not feel a thing, nor have an eff to give. No regrets, no memories, no pain, no misery.
Most likely, by far, we are thinking meat.
Heck I who am awake today can be a different iteration than me, who was awake yesterday. The separation of time when cerebral cortex activity is shut down for maintenance (non REM sleep) may indicate separate beings, like an AGI powered down and rebooted, with its past memories front-loaded. We’re the same for day-to-day quotidian purposes, but our breaks in continuity raise philosophical questions.
And all this is before we get into the incomprehensible vastness of our galaxy, in which earth is barely a mote, or the universe featuring immense strings of galaxies, in which our Milky Way is a dot.
And all this is before we discuss the multiple great filters that are imminent before us, and as a species we are ill prepared to navigate. When we go extinct in the next century or too, it will be part of the Holicene dying, and none of our gods, myths and cultures will survive. All of our operas and symphonies, all of our paintings and sculpture, all of our cinematic thrillers and cozy mysteries and Ghibli animations and fine cuisine will evaporate into geographical layers, and the universe won’t even notice.
All this is to say, I’ve thought about this and confronted my personal insignificance. I’ve come to terms with mortality and the end of society and species. I get why people cling to notions that we are something special, even though all indications from nature imply we are not.
I say, bring it.
lukewarm take at best, and i’m superficially on the same side here.
the notion that a potential soul takes energy from a person is completely unqualified, and used as a basis for the rest of the argument. there are so many external energy sources in the universe even before we start talking about a “spiritual plane”.
weak.
I didn’t say the soul pulls energy from the person, but there has to be interaction between material and spirit (I don’t need spirit to be its own manifold in this model so I didn’t presume it)
If the soul doesn’t interact with the material then there’s no connection between the two and theyre not associated.
So we should be able to detect that interaction. It should have enough of a footprint that were able to notice something even if only side channel effects (which is how we discovered radiation and the heating properties of microwaves).
And we haven’t.
As I said, it doesn’t rule out spirit, but like many apologetic arguments, it takes a lot of weird presumptions to assert that spirit does exist, does interact with material, yet cannot be detected with the scientific means we have in the twenty first century. It can happen but then it requires stark changes in the models of mechanics we have (such as possibly the simulated-universe hypothesis). In this case our scopes are good enough to see the proverbial teapot. 🫖
But I appreciate that it’s difficult to comprehend what the issues are, and why this is a failing not merely of Christianity but any narrative that involves spirit or afterlife. It rules out most models of ghost and fairy phenomena as well.
And don’t worry. If you don’t get it today, we’ll have many (hypothetical, thankfully) days together in the break room so that I can assure you do.
why does there have to be interaction?
I hope the Satanic Temple can have some fun with this.
I don’t really see the problem? I’d assume this includes any belief system, including atheism?
The headline is a bit sensationalist. The article is just “colleagues should be allowed to debate religion”
Any religion that includes crosses or mezuzah, sure.
Atheism isn’t big on crosses.
sure we are. we want them burning…no wait…that’s still Christian. we want them upside down and in the…still Christians.
maybe we aren’t big on crosses…
Every job I’ve ever had, my coworkers and I have pretty openly discussed the ‘taboo’ shit like religion and politics. We can generally keep the flames under control, and if shit does start to heat up we’ll change the topic knowing that the conversation isn’t going anywhere at that point… but ultimately it’s been a consistent point of growth for pretty much everyone involved.
Coming from the Trump regime, I can only assume it means “convert your non-christian coworkers to christianity, and other application of this policy will get you fired” so, 100% fuck this shit. Coming from less of an absolute shitstain traitor, I’d actually be in favor of this kind of rhetoric. Maintain policies requiring professional behavior and prohibiting harassment so that those who don’t want to discuss it are empowered to shut the conversation up; but in a consensual setting, sure I’ll hear you pitch coming to Jesus or w/e - so long as you’re equally receptive to my counterargument.
That’s not how it’s gonna work, so again, fuck everything about this, but fuck if it doesn’t hint at a nice sounding ideal.
I agree with you. On surface, it is a good thing. But again, this is Trump speaking.
I think maybe someone should convert Trump to Christianity.
I think maybe someone should convert Trump to Christianity.
Trump or christians in general… if those folks actually behaved as their own religion instructed, things would… well, honestly still be pretty fucked; but significantly less fucked than they are today!
I think society would be pretty good if the people who identified as Christian actually acted accordingly
I mean, there’s still shit like the promotion of slavery, stoning of gays, and subjugation of women that would lead us into a lot of the same issues we’re having today; but without the plethora of other to keep us all distracted, we’d probably have made a lot more progress against even those remaining few.
So, better, but still not good.
The Bible doesn’t promote slavery or the subjugation of women, the stonings are the old levitical law.
My I introduce the reverse loophole.
Blaspheme against the holy spirit, that piece of shit.
Doing so is the only unforgivable sin. Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars. Straight to hell with you and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Not even their god. By blaspheming against the holy spirit, that fake garbage, you are putting up the shield against christians. They can’t save you, you have no reason to convert, it is a waste of their time…please leave me alone.
Now, if anyone can give me reverse loopholes for other religions, that would be great.
Fuck your gods, all hail Satan!
That might work for most
Technically that doesn’t even work with christianity. You have to very specifically blaspheme against the holy spirit, who is most definitely a child rapist on the Epstein list. You can call their god whatever name you want, deny Jesus, worship any form of metallic idol you want - you still can get through the door to heaven. It takes a special kind of statement - like saying the holy spirit isn’t even real and only exists because whatever man made it all up was accused of copying off of some other religion and just made up even more bullshit so their “nuh uh” had more weight.
That’s not what the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit is at all.
This is the time to start invoking all of the gods for a more dynamic and adaptive office environment.
“Listen, Ryan, I’m gonna need you to ask yourself what Enki would do in this situation, ok? You’re giving Enlil when I need an Enki. Dammit, get your head in the game. Have you not been keeping up on this stuff? Seriously, if you’ve been experimenting with that Jesus stuff again I’m gonna come unglued, I swear. Get off the fuckin cross already, jeez.”
I am going to start spreading the Gospel of the Great Wombat at work!
That’s the energy I’m talking about
Oh no, anyone trying to promote non-christian ideologies will 100% get instacanned under this order I’m sure
I changed my religious preference to unknown or agnostic back in November because of this shit. I won’t admit, even here, what I had before. Shits scary AF right now. I told some employees today that the medically related shaving standards that just changed probably aren’t the end of it, that you better be prepared to lose religious accommodations for shaving next, too.
Really throw them off by talking about Yahweh and Elohim and how are these Gods relevant today?
You’re gonna confuse the evangelicals by naming the two entities which voltroned into their own object of worship
Or discuss the singular El versus the plural Elohim and the related implications for that over the pantheon alluded to in the books of Moses.
But… I was trying to spread the love across the old religions and just leading off with a fun pairing. This Yahweh guy gets a lot of attention. Ra is displeased and unpleasant droughts will undoubtedly be visited upon us all now. Fuck.
Imagine thinking they give a shit about hypocrisy in 2025
Sure, but still no reason not to put it on display in clear and hamfisted terms if you ask me
And fully expect this to only become worse as time goes on. The Christo-taleban has full steam now and won’t stop
The Ritual (2017) was a great movie.
“Fascists enable Christian Nationalist Karens to abuse coworkers on the government’s funds.”
THANK YOU TRUMP for allowing me to FINALLY share the Teachings of ALLAH with other Government Workers!
RIP your public service career lol
I know it’s intentional here, but I cringe whenever someone says ‘Allah’ in an English sentence because it’s just the Arabic word for God.
But it’s funny
But doesn’t muslims also consider arabic to be the holy language and therefore the correct way and only way to refer to allah?
Ah yes, the age old source of disagreement. The nuance of what God/Allah/Elohim/Bagavan/Deva/Dingir/Wakan Tanka/Kami/Hunab Ku/Baiame/Netjer……… is and isn’t. The biggest source of discord used by the greedy to aim humans against each other. When in reality it should be the binder of humanity. It’s like fighting over the description of what a perfect apple tastes like. Every time we fall in that trap, we widen the gap.
Yes. I think everybody knows Allah is the word for God.
This shit only flies as long as it isn’t a Muslim doing it.
Reminds me of Valarie Hodges in Lousiana like a dozen years ago. Where she stopped supporting religious vouchers for school cause an Islamic school wanted to use them and she didn’t realize that could happen.
That’s pretty much the entire operating model of the Satanic Temple. Either you’re getting a Baphomet statue to go with it, or you’re losing that Jesus one.
