Would the economy collapse or thrive? Would there be countries happy to accept the deportees? How would they even deport so many people?
Curious about your thoughts on the hypothetical.
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Any country that loses ~40+% of is population all at once is going to have a lot of major issues. Even more so when that population is concentrated in specific industries.
Truth is, if you’re not descended from the original colonists, every African American has lineage in the US farther back.
“White” in America is actually a moving goalpost that has been moving since literally the founding of the colonies. “Whites” at the founding of America were Anglo Saxons literally defined as being “English”, who are descended from Germans who subjugated the natives of the British isles (NOT THE IRISH, NOR THE SCOTS). “Whites” today now comprise literally every fair skinned ethnic background that isn’t east Asian. I shit you not, I think Hispanics who are fair skinned will be the next group subsumed into the white category, followed by fair skinned East Asians. Based on the American definition of white, I, darker than some light skinned African Americans, am white. Middle Easterners are legally considered white because, I shit you not, the Supreme Court in the early 20th century considered Jesus to be white by definition, and since Jesus was middle eastern, middle easterners must also be considered “white”.
“Whites” today now comprise literally every fair skinned ethnic background that isn’t east Asian. I shit you not, I think Hispanics who are fair skinned will be the next group subsumed into the white category
Funny story. Before the 1980s, Hispanic people were considered white. (Modern people praise I Love Lucy for including an “interracial” marriage, but people in the 1950s just saw a white couple). But since Hispanic people in America tend to be a bit culturally distinct from the ruling class, other white people wanted to be racist against them, and so the meme arose and spread that people of Spanish and Portuguese descent are a race distinct from all other people of European descent.
Middle Easterners are legally considered white because, I shit you not, the Supreme Court in the early 20th century considered Jesus to be white by definition, and since Jesus was middle eastern, middle easterners must also be considered “white”.
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It’s going to be fun seeing the administration trying to come up with a legal definition of white and hearing the outcry of MAGAists who suddenly discover they aren’t “white”.
The US food, healthcare, delivery, cleaning, packaging, etc sectors rely very heavily on non whites. Civil war over basic resource distribution would break out in days. Millions would die, assuming it happens magically within a day or so.
But realistically civil war would break out because people would just refuse to leave. 40% of the US population is non-white, there is no way you are getting 130 million people to just leave the country peacefully. It would be the largest undertaking of any kind in human history and its completely impossible unless you stretch it over decades.
But realistically civil war would break out because people would just refuse to leave. 40% of the US population is non-white, there is no way you are getting 130 million people to just leave the country peacefully.
Especially not when at least some of the white population would be on their side against those in favour of deportation. There’d be massive non compliance.
the sciences also depend on NON-WHITES, plus programming is predominately whites and asians. white people are often in RURAL areas, and heavily depend on immigrant labor to sustain thier in the dump states.
even having 1 million can be devestating, if it happens to one state at a time. also white people dont like doing jobs of non-whites.
Honestly, if it was somehow even possible to do so logistically, the economy would probably go from “suffering” to “terminal implosion.”
Canada would become the most powerful country in the world,
collapse. straight out. Your talking about removing almost half the population at least and then you have what the bar to white is. Palestinian? Israeli? greek? italian? ukrainian? russian? etc, etc… there have been many opinions on what is white enough right down to the aryan stuff. Then of course there is the final throwing away of any compliance with treatise.
I want to point out that it is this reason that OP has stumbled on that White Supremacy is a death cult. The answer is that it would start loose and get more and more narrow. A fascist state needs an enemy to rail against. First, in needs to conquer or cannibalize or subjugate; this is the source of its wealth.
You mentioned “the line” but I also want to point out what white privilege is a social construct that has been extended to groups at different times historically. It was extended to the Jews after the Holocaust (Ashkanaz, at least), and I’m fully expecting somewhere down the line the deportation of America’s Jews to Israel (following the forfeiture our property, of course).
Realistically, if this were to happen, current US government would use the scale from Family Guy
If it’s collapse, I hope it will be well documented, so that the world learns from it. It could quell all the right-wing rhetoric world-wide if the US collapsed from such a stunt.
As one history professor has told me “The only thing we can learn from history is that people don’t learn from history”
I don’t see it happening but who knows. Collapses because of their nature don’t tend to be to well documented. Well internally anyway.
The rest of the world will be watching, so there will be sufficient documentation.
Immediate collapse. No one would take the deportees long term. There would be a huge swell in support for the deported people, but very rapidly other countries would shut their borders. The only way to realistically deport that many people is to get them to self deport by intimidating them.
I’m not so sure this question is hypothetical anymore.
The only way to realistically deport that many people is to get them to self deport by intimidating them.
Well it’s not the only way. You could also militarily invade a neighbouring country, then forcibly deport people there, perhaps by train, perhaps to some sort of camps
I don’t think “deportation” is the reich word to use at that point.
We’re simply repatriating their human capital. It’s a kindness!
The funniest thing about your question is defining ‘non-whites.’
Back in the day, any Black ancestor made a person Black; that was so slave owners could sell their children by slave mothers. Thomas Jefferson had a slave wife/concubine/rape victim named Sally Hemmings. She was likely his legal wife’s half sister. Sally’s granddaughter was 1/8th of less African, but it was considered a scandal when she ran off and passed as White.
The longer any family has been in America, the more likely it is that they are ‘non-white.’
Given the simplistic way the current administration thinks, it wouldn’t surprise me if a visual color-test / race card were implemented.
non-whites would refer to all non-caucasian people, everyone thats not from europe or russia.
Irish and Italian people would like a word with you
It would be literally impossible to pull off.
Trying to deport nearly half the population of the US would require it to be voluntary, and that isn’t going to happen. The sectors that would enforce it already include a lot of non-whites who are complicit because they personally are not being deported. People, especially the non-whites whose families have been in the US from before the US acquired their land from Mexico, would absolutely resist. The non-white population is oppressed, sure, but not to the extent of non-white populations in other colonial locations where a few whites are able to enforce racist laws through violence.
If attempted at the federal level it would implode immediately as multiple states would violently resist due to scale.
Economic meltdown, most of the population has no one that would take them so they will end up either in camps in failed/failing countries or inside the US itself.
Also getting the white population to agree to do it would be a big lift. The majority would passively oppose and a minority would go full on underground railroad/insurgency.
Only a minority would be totally on board.
Only a minority would be totally on board.
If by minority you mean <50%, then yes. But given how many people voted for Trump, the percentage could be substantially higher than 20%.
Not every trump voter is 100% in board with his policies.
A shocking amount of people are just floating through life on Vibes. They don’t know why they do things, it just feels like they should. This applies right up to the ballot box.
The same vibes can lead to feeling on board with mass deportation.
Sure they can, until their cousins, spouses, and neighbors start disappearing, their coworkers, employees, and representatives.
My city has plenty of racists, but even a casual racist might think twice when more than half the city is being deported.
I mean, even some democrats are casual racists.
Most racists are the type that says a racist joke and then tell you to calm down “it’s just a joke”, most aren’t the lynch mobs types.
Exactly. They don’t want a white ethnostate, and they wouldn’t appreciate the level of totalitarianism it would take to pull off that kind of ethnic cleansing.
Everybody’s a racist, it’s just to what degree. Just like everybody’s a hypocrite.
I can only hope that you are right.
and theres already animosity towards white people as it is: affluenza, white privelege. this will make them even more of a target. they might keep around poc collaborators(aka right wingers that love to have that privelege)
Would the economy collapse or thrive?
No. Pure terror forever. If the US continues down this road, nothing but violence, death, starvation and terror until it is all done. No “US.” Fire. Death.
Trump would go because he is orange
trump would flee to russia .
I’ll remember this one. When I meet him, I will tell him.
First, define “white”.
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You filthy hex code whites don’t count. (0,0,0,0) or gtfo.
If the current US administration had to do it, my bet is the family guy meme
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States#Finnish_Americans
Us Finns have literally the highest prevalence of pale-faced blue-eyed blondes, yet we too were discriminated against as “non-whites”.
Racists might use “logic” but the “logic” is fucked up and wrong.
TIL
Finns were on several occasions “racially” discriminated against… and not seen as white, but “Asian”. The reasons for this were the arguments and theories about the Finns originally being of Mongolian instead of native European origin due to the Finnish language belonging to the Uralic family of Languages …
Thank you that was an interesting read.
First there would have to be a raging and highly politicized debate over exactly who qualifies as “white.” It turns out there isn’t a clear cut distinction there which was a problem for 18th and 19th century bigoted fucks as well.
It doesn’t seem like ICE has problems with that at the moment.
they can make clear cut, target all people that arnt white skinned.
That sounds easy on paper but I know plenty of white dudes who work outdoors who are darker on a consistent basis than many Mexicans. Defining somebody’s “whiteness” just based on shade would exclude a lot of people these fuckers don’t want to, and vise-versa.
The list of exceptions would wind up being longer than the rules. Of course we all know that in reality if such a thing were to actually happen, it would ultimately just devolve to fascists playing favorites on an individual basis with inconsistent, ever fluid, and capricious so-called criteria that are just a flimsy excuse to justify disposing of their personal enemies.
