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      Terrible 1984 reference. Maybe if this dude was asking for a department of peace.

      If you think the state supports truth and love like it supports war, I have bad news for you.

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      Better bet is if he lives for another full month. The idiot is circling death bed.

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    Setting aside my Trump hate for a moment: this is a good thing. “Department of Defense” was always a euphemism. “Defense spending” my ass. Let’s call it what it is and then see if Americans feel as good about spending so much on a “Department of War” versus “Defense.”

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      This isn’t a good thing because it’s not an effort to be more honest, it’s a signal of future intent.

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      Thinking like that its a good thing right up until the voters are actually stoked about a department of war.

      Guarantee it wont be long until youre seeing red hats going off about how cool it is they finally have a department of war as if its a whole new thing.

      “Remember how much ass we kicked with only a defense department? Look out world! MIGHTY TRUMP finally made a department of war too!”

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        I’m sure you’re right about a certain segment of people. I don’t think the euphemistic name is holding those people back from loving the military though.

        I do think it’s hard for Congress to sell the general public on “cuts to our defense” though, and cuts to the “Department of war” will be an easier sell.

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      There’s a reason why after WWII the Department of War was renamed Department of Defense.

      We weren’t at war. We’re not currently at war, either. Chester’s gotta ask Congress to rubber-stamp a war first.

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        That’s some very antiquated and naive logic. NONE of these conflicts involved a formal declaration of war:

        Korean War

        Vietnam War

        Persian Gulf

        Afghanistan

        Iraq War

        So you’re going to tell me we weren’t at war for any of those? Bullshit. There’s been plenty of work for a Department of War in the US since WW2.

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          I mean that after WWII, the public sentiment was “We’re done with war. Whew!” That’s exactly why officially declaring war and using the war powers workaround was used in ever example you gave.

          It was the Department of War for 150 years before 1947 when Truman changed the name.

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      Do not underestimate this country’s propensity to proudly engage in jingoism. Just look at our history to see how that went.

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      And they STILL think this. And before Canadians get all smug, look at how popular Smith and Ford are and how Poilievre got elected by a landslide in AB. The more Doug grifts, the better he does in polls.

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        King Charles called and said stfu AB. true story. First Nations were there too and I think they were filling in the eviction notices

        Also AB conservatives won that same riding in the main election too. they are still short the riding pp lost in the first place.

        By the by he’s not regained the lead of the party…yet.

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      It’s real, sadly, I watched it, my parents in law was watching the stupid statement and I joined them. It was yuck

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      When I started reading the quote, I assumed it was a joke, just from the format, not the content. When I got to the part where it said, “It used to be called the Department of War and it had a stronger sound,” I felt the typical disgust and contempt I usually feel when listening to Trump, and so I knew it was almost certainly a genuine quote.

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    It’s the same reason Captain America beats people up with a shield.

    It’s hard to think of yourselves as as a saviour otherwise.

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    Is it bad that my thought was “well at least that’s more accurate”?

    My mind went to how “the department of defense” was Orwellian AF. I mean his reasoning is fucked don’t get me wrong.

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        You can tell he’s never read 1984, he’d definitely want more ironically named government departments if he had

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          I mean, “Truth Social” has all the irony of the Ministry of Truth, though I assume if it was named for that reason it wasn’t thought up by him.

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      Yeah, in this rare instance, I agree with Uncle Donny. The US hasnt fought a war for peace or defense in over 75 years. Might as well change the name to more accurately depict its purpose. He is still a moron though…

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      It was the “War Department” from 1789 to 1947.

      And also the Department of the Navy was its own thing for a while, as was the Department of the Army, then Air Force, before getting folded into the War Department. Harry Truman dissolved the War Department in 1947 because 1) WWII was over and so the US was not in a declared war anymore, and 2) there was a larger consolidation of war powers under the SecDef post-war.

      If anything, name it the Department of Violence and Death and see how people react.

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    History lesson for anyone who needs it, including occupants of the White House: The Department of Defense was created in 1947 by merging the Department of War, the Department of the Navy, and the recently formed Department of the Air Force. Prior to the merger, the War Department managed only the Army. The name Department of Defense was political: it didn’t reuse any of the names of the former departments, so it couldn’t be seen as one absorbing the others, i.e. the Army absorbing the Navy and the Air Force they had just spun off from the Army Air Corps.

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      Also in a way it’s not made our jobs easier. It’s difficult to argue cutting “defense” funds, but it’s a lot easier to be against a “war” department.

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    “we want offense too”
    The obese imbecile being alive is offensive. The fact that it breathes is offensive.
    And the fact that it’s not strapped to a guillotine that’s got a blunt rusty blade is fucking offensive!

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    He doesn’t understand the negative connotations behind it and why one of the main branches of the empire needs to be obfuscated in euphemism? I kinda believe the mental decline rumours now, lol, or maybe he’s just testing the waters to see if Americans still have that bloodthirst like the good ol’ Bush days, idk.

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      I think he just likes to dangle something controversial and shiny in his left hand so you forget he’s hiding the Epstein files behind his back with the right hand. He def knows how to rustle the left’s jimmies, unfortunately.

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        I think he is just that simple of a man.

        Defense is not aggressive and therefore bad. War sounds aggressive so it’s good.

        That’s it. That is the whole thought process of this simpleton.

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          Honestly, even turning the thought into a sentence, putting letters to the words, is more work than his brain did to get there

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        No, stop treating him like he’s some sort of brilliant conman. He’s never been. Even his own sister has said that he’s a moron - his entire plan consists of “I wanna”. I want it to be the Department of War, I want to be the one launching wars, I want to be the guy pushing the Big Red Button. He’s a narcissist, and narcissists rarely tend to think more than a step or two ahead. They assume everyone’s dumber than them, and they can rarely be dissuaded from this.

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          I agree he’s far from brilliant, and I really mean his admin more than him alone. There are some real insidious people with his ear

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      mental decline

      Are you forgetting he remembered “person, woman, man, camera, TV” that one time?